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I think there are two VC cases - the 38mm traditionelle vs the 42mm "disc shaped" case
The VC 38mm is the model which seems to be more similar to the 6119. There is a nice write up on the VC on H.com which compares it to the FPJ CB and the Lange which gives a decent look at the case. Also the 38mm is 7.77mm thick with a similar PR, railroad dial,
Dauphine hands, and when I saw today's release it was an "A-HA" for me - as I previously shopped around for the VC model but didn't get it - because it was a VC (and not a PP)! This PP model will probably take me over the edge for a nice dress watch 
The 42mm is, as you have said, more of a "disc-like" aka "pancake-like" look, which is an Hommage to the history but not my style. Still impressive though!
Cheers
Peter
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New Release April 12th
What do you think? Innovative? 5236P 6119R 6119G 4947/1A 4997/200G ...
That’s pretty nice I was a big fan of the 5119 and 5120
Do you know what diameter it is ? And if they do it in white dial maybe ? Kev
Thanks!
Just looked them up it’s pretty nice. A shame it’s slightly bigger than the previous versions. Kev
MY HOBNAIL WATCH
Taking my 3520D out of the freezer.....still a beauty at 33mm. She'll be 50 this summer..
5236P is a stunner.
I like this case shape anyway (3448, 5235 etc.), it’s pure class. The dial is very beautiful and legible. The only downside for me is the case diameter; would have preferred between 39 and 40 mm. Best, V.
my first thoughts on the perpetual
1) novel new interpretation 2) at least in pictures, cluttered having week, day, month
But as someone whose eyesight is not great
I find window display better than dial..especially date...even I can remember the month so use the date more frequently...the movement also looks nicely finished
agreed with that!
But I did look at more pictures, it reminds me of cyclopes! I wonder what it would look like with a little bit of spacing
makes me instantly forget about the Shrek'ish Nautilus.
5236P is stunning ... but out of my reach. The clou de Paris on the 6119 is growing on me by the minute.
The perpetual calendar looks beautiful 🤩
Maybe 🤔 the 4947/1A is an attempt to get focus away from steel Nautilus watches???
Is the target audience really the same?
Apart from the same material 4947/1A is not really a sport watch, although steel+bracelet makes it a lot more versatile.
The 5236P is beautiful and offers an innovative way to display the perpetual calendar.
The combination of the case with the colors on the dial is sublime. The case size is modern without being too oversized. I am already in touch with my AD. I also like the 6119R in the classic Calatrava case and it has a very good power reserve (but it is ...
I think there are two VC cases - the 38mm traditionelle vs the 42mm "disc shaped" case
The VC 38mm is the model which seems to be more similar to the 6119. There is a nice write up on the VC on H.com which compares it to the FPJ CB and the Lange which gives a decent look at the case. Also the 38mm is 7.77mm thick with a similar PR, railroad...
As shared, 38mm and what the 6119 looks like is the traditionelle...
Traditionelle - very similar to 6119, and not necessarily a disc like case IMHO. Patrimony - more disc like as you mentioned...but not similar to the 6119 ...
I agree - the dial and hands are similar to the VC Patrimony Traditionelle
Though the subdial is different. Still, I think it takes elements from the VC and gloms a hobnail bezel onto it. Not particularly harmonious, I feel.
+1
Huge fan of the VC 82172 here, whose hands (and bezel) I vastly prefer. The Calatrava case and the movement are quite beautiful, though. Cheers Marc
mmmmmm
I can`t welcome them with my sincere hospitality quickly. But probably I would gradually tend to accept them.
Oho! Aha! At last!
Finally, a new Calatrava without that darned dare window. I’m not sure if the 6119 works for me completely yet: clous de Paris railroad track with little dots outside the main indexes sorta-Dauphine hands...might be one element too many; what if the railr...
I would have liked to see the 5236P in the Calatrava case of the 6119 sans hobnail.
However, the 5326P is a stunning watch and I am sure it will be a successful model.
Long time coming...
I view both the 5236P and the 6119R/G as long overdue. These releases are all about next generation movements and they are stunning! I will be enthusiastic to see the 5236P’s new perpetual calendar movement and the new 6119’s manual wind trickle down to o...
The movement of the 5236P looks nice and I like the case shape
I would be a lot more impressed though, if they got rid of all the pusher in the case band.
thanks!
I think this is a welcome addition to the lineup... long overdue.. both the time only and the perpetual... very nice!
Thank you so much TheCollector1688 for opening the thread with these stunning new models on our forum! Done with the online meeting, so I'll keep adding the official material as it comes to this thread for now.
. Enclosed above for Everyone are the official press releases with all details. Cheers
Thank you for updating the pictures!
Thank you! Thanks for updating the pics as well. Definitely looking forward to seeing these references in person. The 5236P may be slightly large with case diameter of 41.3mm...will need to see on wrist the taper of the lugs.
Patek's MSRPs for the five new models....These are already available on Patek's site as well (as usual, there might be a slight difference, e.g. of +/- $2 for the 5236).
U.S pricing: Patek Philippe Ref. 4947/1A-001 $47,904 Patek Philippe Ref. 4997/200G-001 $36,667 Patek Philippe Ref. 5236P-001 $130,108 Patek Philippe Ref. 6119G-001 $29,570 Patek Philippe Ref. 6119R-001 $29,570
Evolutionary innovation but stunning!
On first glance - the 6119 looks very much like the 2013 Vacheron Constantin Traditionelle Small Seconds, but adds a nice hobnail bezel. I have been eyeing some of these in the past in a grey variant, so to see it similarly configured in PP is interesting...
My preference is for the VC 82172 vs. the Patek 6119
I think the VC is more original in design. The VC has the Geneva seal. Subdial is nice. And the dial furniture is not overdone. It looks like the 6119 tried to combine the the VC with some of the older saxonia dial. The ~50% premium for the Patek very ric...
Agreed.
The handset on the 6119 is less attractive IMO. I like the dauphine style (I think that is it) on the VC and think that's a better fit with the rest of the dial furniture. Otherwise I think the 6119 is a slam dunk. The hobnailing probably looks great in p...
5236 date seems awkward to me, especially the extra gap between the two day digits.
I wonder if they tried sapphire disks or frames to produce a more unified linear triple date. I would assume they tried everything, but the outcome isn't totally satisfying.
Hmmm - not fully convinced.....
Must - as always - see them in the metal. The 6119 seems to be struggling - not knowing what it want's to be. The bezel and the hour-markers gives it (in the pictures at least) a very robust and "masculine" attitude - but at the same time it tries to be e...
Well done Patek! ♥️
Love the 6191R!!! From the back, too ♥️ Great Perpetual Calendar, but 39/40 mm would be enough for me...It has to be on the wrist before a final judgement...great anyway! Good year for PP...maybe sth more to come? Best Tempus
I love the 6119 movement
Not quite so sure about the dial side. Would prefer it not to have a hobnail bezel. To me, at least, that feature adds a degree of dressiness/fustiness at odds with the athletic straightforwardness of the rest of the watch. Luckily, Patek will use the sam...
Thanks for commenting, I got to love the hobnail bezel more since it ended up in the 5177 line 3 years ago (even though I haven't seen this reference again since then!), but it's indeed subjective territory...
For sure, as you say, this new 30-255PS caliber will be featured in more references in the future ;-) Cheers.
Too large!
That's my verdict on the 5236P and the 6119G and R. Yes they have beautiful movements but the perpetual calendar should be no more than 39mm rather than 41.3mm. As for the 6119, it is refreshing to see a movement other than a 215 or 240 or 324 being used ...
Drool time to save up
Very nice releases from patek love the steel annual,new calatrava is awsome too,that perpetual calendar great year from patek
First, PP has a bad typo on their site....
The 6119R is listed as 'Yellow Gold.' When I saw the photo in this thread I thought, 'wow, I hope it's available in Yellow gold. Went to the site and it said 'Yellow gold.' But it's got an 'R' after it and the next page lists it as Rose gold. Aestheticall...
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