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its an interesting question because
it goes right to the heart of why each of us collects watches. Some do it for investment. Some do it for passion. Some do it because of the engineering miracle that is a watch. The list of "why" we collect is diverse and highly subjective. There is no question that each of us has a virtually unique list of factors that contribute towards what makes us buy a watch. I am not sure there is a right or a wrong actually. For me, there has to be a combination of factors that make me want something. I have a list of rules that lead me to buy a watch. 7 rules. The first 6 rules are all quite logical. For example, one of the factors that makes me like a watch is its historical rarity. I get a tremendous kick out of owning a rare watch. It adds to my enjoyment, but it is only one factor of the 7 rules. The most important rule however is Rule No. 7, which goes like this:
Rule no. 7: If a watch has passed none of the previous 6 rules, but you are still in love with it, then buy it.
On the 5070P, i will give you my highly subjective view. Of all the watches i own, the last one that I would ever sell is a JLC that is worth no more than £2000. The next last would be my 5070P. I think it is the most beautiful watch I have ever worn. I also own the 5970P which is almost certainly rarer and potentially a better "investment". But i would sell it well before either my JLC or 5070P and that is because the 5070P has "soul". It calls to me. It wants me to wear it. It speaks. It has character. Simply put, I love it. Now, is it more collectible than a patent pending Rolex or a Comex or a 5970P/G or whatever? I actually don't care. It has to be how it makes you feel.
Hope that makes sense.
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5970J or 5070P most desirable?
I have a 5070P which I love, but have become acutely aware of a couple of bits of info... 1. It is now selling at roughly the price of a 5970J (close enough to trade easily) 2. The 5970J is variously being described as a lower production model, like the 5...
If you like them both enormously, buy them both.
Except a Fortune Teller, nobody can tell you what model is more collectible than another. Most important, keep or buy what you love, and " collectibility " should never be a criteria. Would you get any watch just because it is collectible? Did you get you...
Thanks
Yes, all those go through my mind when adding a watch to the collection. Yes, I am interested in the opinion of others (hence why I posted on a watch forum), especially 'like-minded' watch appreciators. Perhaps you could let me have your opinion on the re...
No problem, Gh.
As for my opinion on the 5070, I will post it this month, but I'm working since 2 weeks on the topic. And I still need time to end it. I may sound a bit harsh, but at the end, what only counts is what you love, because it is your money, and the watch will...
I do really care!
And am interested in your opinion. The 5070P is a thing of beauty - for sure, and I am proud to own it. I only managed that through a long-standing relationship with my AD and with Patek UK. Maybe I covet too many watches, but there always seems to be a b...
As classic as
the 5140 defintiely is, I find it a little too small - in diameter and depth...... for me. I did look at the WG model, also strikingly good-looking. Auto is also practical, but it didn't quite resonate with me as much as the larger models... Regards
well, the 5970J is my favorite 5970
But there is no chance at all that I would give up a 5070P for ANY 5970. NEVER !
Thankyou so much for sharing your opinion
It is good to have an honest and very direct answer. I tend to agree with you, but recently the 5970 has played on my mind... and although I will probably keep the 5070P, I like to hear your thoughts on the matter! thanks again Gh
My boyfriend has 5070P and i will not let him trade it
much less for a 5970j! Probably for a 5970P but he has that one too!! jijiji
... a lucky boy indeed!
I hope he enjoys them both for a long time to come... Regards
Luisa, we are supposed to be discreet, don't tell all we have ;-)
Do not forget to bring me those wears for supper... ( ;-) All in good spirit, always. This message has been edited by PoyFR on 2010-04-04 10:34:53
as much as I like the 5970
this is ofcourse my personal opinion and like the Frech say "les gouts et les couleurs ne se discutent pas" but this platinum 5070 with it's magnificent blue dial is so much nicer than any 5970. I would like to have a 5970 and I would prefer the yellow go...
its an interesting question because
it goes right to the heart of why each of us collects watches. Some do it for investment. Some do it for passion. Some do it because of the engineering miracle that is a watch. The list of "why" we collect is diverse and highly subjective. There is no que...
rare or not
Joe, you said "The next last would be my 5070P. I think it is the most beautiful watch I have ever worn. I also own the 5970P which is almost certainly rarer and potentially a better "investment "" I have a feeling you might be wrong here. This is difficu...
Bruno....
You may be right. Both are 1yr productions, but i assumed (possibly icorrectly) that a grand complication would have lower production planned than a simple complication watch. I do wonder whether many 5970P watches were ordered at the height of the housin...
On the basis it makes me feel good and
because of your experience with women while wearing it, it just went up a notch on the 'keep-ometer'...
i also find that
women find me irresistible when i wear the 5070P, whereas with the 5970P its more mixed.
Buy the watch that makes you happy first, the rest is luck
Buy the watch that makes you happy first, the rest is luck > Personally I never bought a watch because others valued it, loved it or because it was first a good investment. A watch or anything else you buy for yourself is before anything else a representa...
Thanks. I also went for the 47212...
What number is yours?! This watch, again very personal, is THE most wonderful and gorgeous watch ever made and I wanted it the second I saw it - no doubts, quibbles or rational thoughts at all... I just had to have it. Mine is number 2, by the way.
Well.....
I buy watches because I like them regardless of future value.... Now if they end up being valuable, all the better.... There is a perfect example... When the Paul Newman Daytona was available for sale in the 70s for less than 500 Euros nobody would buy it...
Good feedback...
I think we have similar thoughts on the issue... I love the 5070P, for sure and like so many others here, I can't see me letting it go - all the while I don't need to. Thanks
Don't trade/sell 5070P
IMHO this is the most beautiful watch made. Like some of the other sentiments, I also love the "simplicity" of the 2 register chrono. If you could trade even for 5970G or 5970P, this would be more difficult call for me than 5970J (the relative rarity of t...
Nice to hear some balance!
I love the 5070P, or would obviously not have bought it!, but you cannot ignore the 5970 either. Thanks for sharing.
5970J or 5070P?
As I understand it, it has to be one or the other...can't have both right now. Right? If you like the 5070 more, keep it. If, on the other hand, you have had your eyes on the 5970 and that is the piece you've been wanting to get to, then get it. I find th...
Well said....
many great points..... the grass is always greener on the other side..... thus... there will always be another great watch out there.... no right or wrong... just follow your heart.... cheers
I would go for the 5970
but only because I personally like it more. I happen to feel the say way as you do that future value or at least retention of value effects my personal collecting decisions because my budget dictates this. I think both watches are beautiful and neither on...
You have resonated with my thought processes..
so thankyou, because like you I do have to consider that I am fuelling my passion via financially secure decisions. My family would not be happy to find that I squandered 'family' money aimlessly and irresponsibly. I applaud your honesty as sometimes it s...
You have made a lot of sense...
.. and in fact I think you have articulated best the real world experience I think most of us go through in collecting. I appreciate very much all the feedback written, thankyou all. I can tell you what I did.. I had a 5070G and a 5070P, and wanted to add...
i think that is the right decision
The 5070G is, again, a stunningly beautiful watch, but in that particular list it gets the bronze medal for me. In most other races, it would take gold but against that rarefied company? No. In my opinion, you have two of the most beautiful PP watches. Ke...
I'm intrigued...
to know if it was the models themselves being discussed, or the breadth of opinions being proferred - or something else?
since you probably wanted an answer instead of just saying get what you like ...
Unless we're talking about a very rare metal for a case (such as a situation where only one watch was made of a certain metal) then long-term what matters most usually is the movement. Here we're talking about a complicated perpetual calendar chronograph ...
Thanks Eric
I tend to agree with you, on each point. I am grateful that you did expand upon just telling me to get what I like! Best Gary
Why don't you stick with the one...
that you can get an extra GBP 500 on! But seriously, they're two very different watches with different function and different appearance. Both are fairly limited and will be valuable in their own right. I know this sounds cliche, but you really should go ...
Both are beautiful, but the 5970J is more complicated
and should be more desirable in the future. In my opinion the 5970J was produced in smaller numbers than the 5070P and has a nicer size 40mm vs 42mm. The case on the 5970 has much nicer lines than the 5070. I have to admit the dial on the 5070P is awesome...
Ahhh Jeff...!
Good to hear from you, I was beginning to think you had won the lottery and left town for good. But seriously, 1 P in each model is my punt. Gary
why 5070?
why do you like/love the 5070P? a totally unscientific straw poll amongst 5070 owners seems to produce the following reasons: 1) 42mm PP...where else? 2) Lemania based movement 3) out of production soon(poll was done in 2008) if these are also some of the...