Patek Philippe

During my February stay in Geneva, I had the opportunity to try on a 5711 for the first time. 

The most iconic PP design in my opinion, and worthy of any horology enthusiast's attention, but just like you, I have a tangible number of watches I love even more than the Nautilus, and am thus far more likely to give my full attention (and money) to them over the Nautilus.... Thank you very much for the high quality pictorial Emmanuel! Cheers, Filip

when you say that it’s the most iconic PP design.
It’s far from being my favorite, but, yes, it’s probably the most iconic and it’s great in its own right, no doubt about it.
So I understand the hype even if, like you, I have other priorities.
Cheers, Emmanuel

I'm not particularly drawn to watches with integrated bracelets. But in this case, the 5711 is by far my favorite.

but now that I have, I quite agree that this model has a unique charm.
Best, Emmanuel

Thank you for taking the time to post various fotos of similar integrated bracelet watches.  Excellent way to compare the alternatives.  The Nautilus (any of its variants) and especially the time only and 5712 models are wonderful but wow... entirely too impossible to acquire.  Actually impossible to even see in the wild or even in a Patek boutique.  Then being offered the opportunity to physically try the piece on your wrist is extremely difficult.  That line of Pateks is so very dear.

I consider myself quite lucky indeed to have been able to try this one on, especially as it allowed me to better understand the charm of this timepiece, even if, as I said, I have other priorities and preferences.
Best, Emmanuel

The green dial is a model of discretion and “good taste”, but it is also quite neutral and not particularly remarkable. I’m not personally into blue dials, so I like it and would choose it over a blue one, but I could very easily understand anyone who would like the blue dial better.
Best, Emmanuel

Over a decade I found the blue dial would present itself in varying shades depending on viewing conditions, and the proportions and thinness very pleasant. Of all the watches I've owned the 5711 1A is my all time favorite.

and it speaks volumes about how great this watch is.
I have no doubt that the blue dial is very nice and versatile: I’m just personally more drawn to other colors, which is why I chose the grey dial Alpine Eagle.
Best, Emmanuel

Tbh i have never been a huge fan of the Nautilus and also not a big fan of bracelet watches . Imho the AP has an overall better design .
I understand the appeal of the Patek but its just not for me 🤷🏻‍♂️

but I understand the appeal now, and I think I would personally choose it over a RO (but I've never seen a Jumbo in person.
Best, Emmanuel

Best, Emmanuel

I love the 5711, and I've also bought the AP15450 and GP Laureato, but they are similar to the 5711, yet not the same. However, your frank opinions (even if they differ from my preferences) are very persuasive.

I'm not particularly drawn to steel watches with integrated bracelets, as I much prefer the feel and look of a leather strap and of precious metals. These watches are also poorly suited to desk work, as the strap gets scratched with every contact.
That's why I chose to buy an Alpine Eagle, which is infinitely more reasonably priced. I only wear it in the summer and I find it quite appealing, but it's clear that, all things considered, the 5711 is still a much better fit for my taste.
Have a great weekend.
Best, Emmanuel

clear winner vs other brands (including Chopard Alpine Eage which you must love), why are you not more excited about Nautilus ?

It's the steel watches with integrated bracelets, not the Nautilus specifically, that don't particularly appeal to me.
I much prefer the feel and look of a leather strap, as well as the look of gold or platinum. These watches are also very poorly suited to desk work, as the strap gets scratched as soon as it comes into contact with the desk (the bracelet on my Alpine Eagle is full of micro-scratches).
I chose to buy an Alpine Eagle because the price is infinitely more reasonable and because I only wear this type of watch in the summer. I find it has real qualities, but it's clear that, in absolute terms, the 5711 is a far superior watch and one that suits my tastes even better.
That said, if I had to choose between buying a Nautilus or a 5105, I would choose the 5105 without the slightest hesitation. Or, if saving up to acquire a Laurent Ferrier Tourbillon Double Spiral means forever giving up on a Nautilus, then I'll give it up without the slightest hesitation. A watch made of precious metal and with a manual winding movement will always be my priority.
Best, Emmanuel

I completely understand why you would choose the Alpine Eagle despite valuing the 5711. I was able to buy the 5711 at a much more reasonable price back in 2012, but now it's incredibly expensive.

but I liked it very much still. The color is very subdued, very subtle.
Best, Emmanuel