patrick_y
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I'm still hesitant to recommend EVs.
The Porsche Taycan drives amazingly. Truly a Porsche from a driving perspective - lack of sound otherwise. But, can I recommend one? So much of car ownership is outside of just how it drives, but the reliability, the insurability, the competence in a specific region by the dealership, and the long-term reliability of the car as the car is past the 4 year mark (some people still keep their cars until they're old). So I can't really recommend EVs without a lot of caveats. The battery might last 10 years, but will other things fail that require a car to have the battery removed each time to access that small part that fails? These EVs are still a bit of a science project for many car companies. And outside of Tesla, there really isn't a lot of good "large population statistical data" about EV reliability with the new Mercedes, BMW, Porsche, VW, Toyota, etc. electrics on the market. So I definitely wouldn't begrudge anyone from sticking to an internal combustion engine machine! At least we know what problems exist on those!
New Tesla Model 3 Performance Announced
Tesla's new Model 3 Performance model has just been announced. This replaces the previous Performance model which is quite an impressive car! Quick Facts: 510 horsepower 296 miles of range (US EPA Testing Standard). This is a 45 mile penalty compared to t...
My two cents comment:
I don’t see where this is environmental sustainable and why it should be sponsored by public money. It is just a sportscar for people that would like to appear environmental friendly. This car is just the summum of hypocrisis or non sense.
Ahh! Good point!
But even more people would complain if the government picked and chose specific models for eligibility for tax credits right? So it's no easy solution. But I agree... Why should a high performance sedan like this get public money?
How about a subsidy based on hp/torque and not specific brand or models?
Say subsidy only applies for EVs with up to 150 hp and 200 nm of torque? 😂 That should be sufficient for daily commute right?😂
Someone told me that getting money from the government is "socialism"
So why should a specific category of goods be subsidized? Well, it's the same with our tax credits and subsidies for EVs, but then, we Europeans are renown for socialism, aren't we? Marcus
Can't argue with that...
And it's just so strange that the government only subsidizes the most expensive and unnecessary "high performance version" and not the normal versions. It's almost counterintuitive.
Hi praise to call this a "sports car". More of a glorified golf cart to me 🤣
But the part about appearances, I fully agree.
You gotta visit California more often - we all live in these GIGANTIC Golf Cart Communities!
Joking aside, these are impressive golf carts - they can go really fast. They just don't seem to carry a lot of golf clubs. I really don't like the trunk of the Model 3, it feels small.
Dear Friend, I plan to visit CA only 1 more time in my life. For a lunch or dinner with Art at Rainbow B&G.
Aside from that, I plan to never set foot in that state again. You are welcomed to join us if you like, date TBD.
I don't blame you! Without getting too political - California has become a very strange place!
Hope to see you sometime! If not, I'll have to come to see you - when the weather isn't freezing and windy blizzard conditions - I am a Californian after all.
I purposely did not expand my comments, any rational person will understand why I find CA despicable.
And don't think I am picking on your naturally a gorgeous state - I feel very much the same about my own state, Colofornia (as we now call it here), which years ago I planned to never ever leave. But I'll be leaving this state as soon as I can. Maybe we c...
Yes! Another IGOTT is definitely overdue!
I didn't know things had gotten that bad in Colo-fornia!
Doesn't matter where you go Michael, if it's worth moving to..
because of cleanliness, low crime, sensible people, low taxes. Californians will inevitably find you and destroy what made that area good in the first place. No offense to Patrick of course
The range is definitely less than a petrol or diesel car...
Let's say you compared this to a BMW M3 or Mercedes AMG C63, it's definitely going to have less range. But, it will be less expensive to run, just as fast if not slightly faster, and you can charge it at home. And lest we forget, if we drive an AMG C63 fl...
I know at around 140 kph, the consumption goes to around 4 kilometers per KWH on my Tesla. So assuming this car has around 80 KWH, that's only 320 kilometers.
My car only has around 60 KWH, so my car can only do around 240 KM at high speed. And Autobahn speeds can be 200 kph, so, the consumption will go up even more, thus shortening the autonomy.
I wonder what my AMG Mercedes would do on the autobahn?
Probably 30 liters per 100 km? Would that be reasonable for a 5.4 liter gas guzzling engine? It wouldn't last very long at high speeds of 200+ kph, as the tank is only 80 liters! But at least I'd get 200+ kilometers of very high speed driving and if I nee...
On the autobahn, we find Teslas mainly in the slipstream of trucks ...
... at less than 90 km/h. The more impressed I was with a guy and his Model S who took part in a "sports" driving training of our national AA. They have a nice course for that not far from my place, some short straight parts, many curves. In the straight ...
I'd want to be in the AC Cobra's slipstream as well!
On the Austrian Autobahn, the Teslas drive that slowly? In Germany, I see them going 200 KPH all the time.
Yes, at a constant 90 km with a truck in front of me punching the air for me, my little Tesla could go 500+ km!
But normally, probably only around 340 km. And if I drive fast, like around 130-140 kph (our speed limits are rarely this fast in USA, sometimes in Texas they allow you to drive around 130 kph and people push it to 140 kph), probably only around 300 km is...
Won’t Touch Tesla until they get rid of Musk
I’m in the market too. I just cant put money in that guy’s pocket.
Super car acceleration for $53k
Impressive. But that’s about all there is for me to see here. I’m too much of an ICE traditionalist. Which is probably why I haven’t test driven an EV yet . Add the other drawback like build quality , which I hear frequently, and I just can’t get behind t...
I considered myself a petrol-head.
Then I test drove a Tesla - the acceleration, the response, the low center of gravity - it hooked me.
I was very against anything EV
I am a manual driving 911 guy and disdained Teslas until I rented one for a week while on vacation. I now think they are the best car for commuting or around the town use (not for long distance travel). They are fast, charge up quick to 80% at superchargi...
I concur!
I totally agree with you and I thank you for chiming in! And thank you for chiming in with an open mind! A lot of people whom are a little stubbornly puristic but overly critical about electric cars even without having driving them yet. Great for commutin...
Haha, that would be fun to see
I agree that EVs are not perfected for the track yet but they are great/better at other things. And yes, folks who trash EVs I think haven’t really spent significant time in them. They are also terrific cars but just do it differently than what they’re us...
I'm still hesitant to recommend EVs.
The Porsche Taycan drives amazingly. Truly a Porsche from a driving perspective - lack of sound otherwise. But, can I recommend one? So much of car ownership is outside of just how it drives, but the reliability, the insurability, the competence in a spec...
Very true
I like the Taycan but they are behind Tesla in terms of development and design. Even then, the battery replacement costs after long term use is a problem. I wouldn’t replace all the cars in my family with an EV, but having one is a compelling argument.
Agreed! One in the fleet as a commuter is perfect.
Especially if you live in a place like California where you have insane fuel costs. We're paying $6.00 USD+ per gallon of premium fuel (all of my cars I've ever owned unfortunately required premium fuel). For our European friends, I'm still under 2 Euros ...
Yes! But we Californians have generally paid roughly half our European counterparts! Now we're getting very close!
I can't imagine what my petrol bill in Europe would be with the AMG. 10.000 Euros a year? Yikes! Even in California it was very large.
Can it go through a car wash safely?
After reading about the truck, it's a question that must be asked.
Vision
This sounds like the days when people had nostalgia for the clickity clack of horse hoofs on carriages, when Mr. Ford and Mercedes introduced the car. Love or hate, Tesla changed the world with a superior product, zero vibrations (that is why Rolls Royce ...
Milk floats?
As a Tesla driver, I'm impressed with how good this thing is for so little money. As a Mercedes AMG driver, I adore the V8 engine, but whenever I see one of those Tesla milk floats, I'm humbled by the fact that those things are just as fast as a 500 hp Me...