destrodan
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I'm careful with perezcope, as good information is mixed with tabloid "shocking revelations" that are anything but...
...such as: "Keep in mind, the average production cost for non-precious metal Panerai watches, including material and movement, is around USD 350. That is right, three five zero!"
Anyone who knows anything about the luxury watch market understands this statement applies to every brand. Because R&D, which Panerai would need to contribute toward, is not counted in the cost of production/materials (ValFleurier doesn't research and create movements for free). I can't count how many times I've read the same cheap-shot argument used against Rolex just as one example - the number with Rolex was $650.
In a world where time-only pilot watches in are selling for $40K, the same argument can be made against any luxury watch brand.
If one is looking for a 'value buy,' luxury watches is not the place to find it. One will be perennially disappointed. Seiko and Casio is where it's at, and that's just fine.
I don't know about perezscope's motivations, but mixing good information with these grumbling tabloid 'revelations' doesn't impress me.
Panerai was there too...
... presenting its new 44 mm Submersibles in eSteel. The New Panerai Submersible QuarantaQuattro eSteel Models: Panerai Caliber P.900, 171 components, operates at 28,800vph, has 23 jewels, and comes with a 3-day power reserve. ...
Indicated on the dial and engraved on the patented clasp to close the winding mechanism.
Not my cup of tea, nice otherwise.
How could I have missed that 🤣
I agree with your point of view and at the least not on the dial. Result, not a watch I will be buying.
I was wondering why no one had commented about the PAM releases.
I believe there are additional submersibles that are not esteel new on their site. They’re 44mm.
Nice! 👏🏼
Now the question is what do you think of these offerings? I admit, the white dial interests me, but I waiver back and forth since haven’t seen it in the metal.
They've got to stop putting superlative text on the dial...
The dial doesn't need to say "eSteel" on it. It dates the watch and cheapens it.
I attended the press conference via Zoom.
Apparently it has something to do with recycled material content. All Panerai eSteel watch cases have to have at least 52% by weight of recycled metals for the metal case. The range will be anywhere from 52% to 60%. It will also vary among models and year...
I don't want to spoil anyone's fun... 🙏
And I'm not sure if I'm allowed to quote "" here, if not please, dear Mods, just delete my post. The quotes are from two articles that appeared eight months and four days ago. 1. „A good example from recent history would be the OP XXXIV which powered a nu...
Well, Perezcope's claims need to be substantiated if they haven't been already
1- According to Panerai, P.900 is a renamed and improved OP XXXIV. It has a diameter of 30 mm, 25 jewels, 72 hours PR and a frequency of 28,800. The BM12-1975A is 28.2 mm, has 21 jewels, 120 hours PR and a frequency of 28,800. So, even if these two moveme...
Dear IWC, thank you
for your comprehensive and very insightful reply. Hmmmmmm… I believe that there are some interesting articles and reviews by Perezcope, where he also gives evidence of his claims from my point of view. That Perezcope might have a bone to pick with Panerai...
I read his article also.
I haven't posted in awhile. I am just so disappointed in Panerai. First they remove the hacking mechanism from the 9010 movement without telling anyone. Then come to find out they are putting undecorated movements in there watches. Perezcope also shows th...
I'm careful with perezcope, as good information is mixed with tabloid "shocking revelations" that are anything but...
...such as: "Keep in mind, the average production cost for non-precious metal Panerai watches, including material and movement, is around USD 350. That is right, three five zero!" Anyone who knows anything about the luxury watch market understands this st...
Thanks for your reply, Destrodan,
you made some valid points here. I'm not a fan of „brand bashing“, but I find the "steps backwards" that have been made very secretly remarkable. Suddenly, since 2020, the 9010 movement with the same name (!) no longer has any hacking seconds (seconds res...
I will not edit the posts.
I will simply ask to...stop here...with discussions that do not concern the original "showcase" post You are more than welcome to open..yet another..brand new 3d dedicated to the chagrin that the Panerai's present policies cause in all of us. So, let's ex...
You're absolutely right and that's totally fair, Sergio.
Regarding the presented models: I like them not enough to buy them. 😉 The Submersibles that still appeal to me the most and I would like to own are the 47mm Bronzo 382 or even the Bronzo 507 (here not even the power reserve indicator on the dial bothers m...
I like these
I had the mike horn pole to pole…loved it but too darn heavy even in titanium…these could be just right! Look awesome!