Thanks for your reply, Destrodan,

you made some valid points here.

I'm not a fan of „brand bashing“, but I find the "steps backwards" that have been made very secretly remarkable.

Suddenly, since 2020, the 9010 movement with the same name (!) no longer has any hacking seconds (seconds reset function) and shows a complete cancellation of any discernible decorations and is hidden behind closed casebacks. Without changing the information on the website. Why?

I think that we should (and must!) speak honestly about such developments here in our forum.
Especially if you love a brand.

Because these discussions among watch lovers take place behind more or less closed doors anyway.

And from my point of view, discussing these problems openly includes a .. small chance that a brand will correct its course again if they notice that customers do not appreciate it. At least that's my hope. And I say that as a big lover of a 127 with a beautifully decorated ETA movement 😉.

Cordially
Thomas

P.S.: You can read perezcopes’ review of the Fiddy which is written “full of love”.

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Panerai was there too...

By: India Whiskey Charlie : March 31st, 2022-01:54

... presenting its new 44 mm Submersibles in eSteel. The New Panerai Submersible QuarantaQuattro eSteel Models: Panerai Caliber P.900, 171 components, operates at 28,800vph, has 23 jewels, and comes with a 3-day power reserve. ...

Is it made of eSteel?...

By: mdg : March 31st, 2022-02:01

...kind of hard to tell : )

Indicated on the dial and engraved on the patented clasp to close the winding mechanism.

By: grigo : March 31st, 2022-05:34

Not my cup of tea, nice otherwise.

...

How could I have missed that 🤣

By: grigo : March 31st, 2022-17:14

I agree with your point of view and at the least not on the dial. Result, not a watch I will be buying.

I was wondering why no one had commented about the PAM releases.

By: ArmisT : March 31st, 2022-03:58

I believe there are additional submersibles that are not esteel new on their site. They’re 44mm.

Here they are...😉

By: India Whiskey Charlie : March 31st, 2022-13:37

...

Nice! 👏🏼

By: ArmisT : March 31st, 2022-16:25

Now the question is what do you think of these offerings? I admit, the white dial interests me, but I waiver back and forth since haven’t seen it in the metal.

For me, it's a toss-up between black and white dials. That said, I have been more comfortable with black dials on sport/dive watches over white.

By: India Whiskey Charlie : March 31st, 2022-16:32

They've got to stop putting superlative text on the dial...

By: patrick_y : March 31st, 2022-07:07

The dial doesn't need to say "eSteel" on it. It dates the watch and cheapens it.

And we don't know what E steel means...

By: amanico : March 31st, 2022-07:08

I attended the press conference via Zoom.

By: patrick_y : March 31st, 2022-07:12

Apparently it has something to do with recycled material content. All Panerai eSteel watch cases have to have at least 52% by weight of recycled metals for the metal case. The range will be anywhere from 52% to 60%. It will also vary among models and year...

Hmmmm, thanks for the effort, Patrick. ;)

By: amanico : March 31st, 2022-07:39

De Rien!

By: patrick_y : March 31st, 2022-07:47

;)

By: amanico : March 31st, 2022-08:05

For me the biggest disappointment here is the use of the P900…am so sad because I love the submersible collection in general…why on hearth are they taking this direction with all their new watch!

By: Chronometer (aka yacomino) : March 31st, 2022-11:10

I don't want to spoil anyone's fun... 🙏

By: MTR : March 31st, 2022-21:38

And I'm not sure if I'm allowed to quote "" here, if not please, dear Mods, just delete my post. The quotes are from two articles that appeared eight months and four days ago. 1. „A good example from recent history would be the OP XXXIV which powered a nu...

Well, Perezcope's claims need to be substantiated if they haven't been already

By: India Whiskey Charlie : March 31st, 2022-22:27

1- According to Panerai, P.900 is a renamed and improved OP XXXIV. It has a diameter of 30 mm, 25 jewels, 72 hours PR and a frequency of 28,800. The BM12-1975A is 28.2 mm, has 21 jewels, 120 hours PR and a frequency of 28,800. So, even if these two moveme...

Dear IWC, thank you

By: MTR : April 1st, 2022-23:39

for your comprehensive and very insightful reply. Hmmmmmm… I believe that there are some interesting articles and reviews by Perezcope, where he also gives evidence of his claims from my point of view. That Perezcope might have a bone to pick with Panerai...

I read his article also.

By: smatt99 : April 2nd, 2022-02:14

I haven't posted in awhile. I am just so disappointed in Panerai. First they remove the hacking mechanism from the 9010 movement without telling anyone. Then come to find out they are putting undecorated movements in there watches. Perezcope also shows th...

I'm careful with perezcope, as good information is mixed with tabloid "shocking revelations" that are anything but...

By: destrodan : April 2nd, 2022-05:45

...such as: "Keep in mind, the average production cost for non-precious metal Panerai watches, including material and movement, is around USD 350. That is right, three five zero!" Anyone who knows anything about the luxury watch market understands this st...