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Flipping is GOOD ...
... between J and G, that is!
Sorry about the image quality. I have some nice watches, but a crappy camera ... and it's harder than I thought to do a 2-watch wrist shot?
There's a lot of chatter in the post(s) about the engraving on the case, the quality and the size of the cloisonné artwork, and the issue of flipping. I am obviously biased, but also very well experienced.
There is NO issue with the engraving. Most of the people who have seen these watches on my wrist only realize the engraving on the case once I point it out. Honestly, they're almost exclusively drawn to the artwork in the center of the dial. The lighting for the pictures on the Patek web-site makes the engraving more present than it really appears? Moreover, there's really nothing wrong with the script. In person it's actually very well-done.
In my opinion the cloisonné artwork cannot be fully appreciated by the naked eye. From a far it looks beautiful. With a magnifying glass, however, it's absolutely stunning. Even a non-artist (like myself) can't help but marvel at the extreme task it must be to replicate the world map(s) in such a confined area. TRULY AMAZING!
Flipping? My guess is that it probably isn't done by a watch aficionado or collector. I would think this is especially true for a piece that isn’t very old? Someone who truly appreciates watches couldn’t let a 5131 go. Dr. KOL is right.
MST
5131G
At the weekend, i had a visitor to stay who had with him a sealed 5131G. Over a bottle of some Mouton Rothschild (he needed a little persuasion to open it!!!) , he carefully broke the seal and unveiled this classic watch. I have to say that the watch had ...
Don't know what to think about the 5131...
I'm a sucker for enamel dials, and on the 5131, the dial is really superb, warm, with a delicious cissor hand. That was the version I was expecting for a long time, from PP. Ok, it is not a flawless watch: The enamel dial looks a bit too small, the typo o...
I agree on the engraving...
Yes, it is a shame that they had to engrave PPP on it...totally unnecessary. However, the blue on teh enamel is breathtaking, and i can forgive it the engraving! I do wonder how many of the original owners choose to flip. My guest did not buy his through ...
I forgot to mention that I never saw one in the flesh...
And that I would love to! Mainly to judge the impact of the engraved bezel on the appeal of the whole watch. Totally agree with you, Mr Baron: Some great watches are born with some flaws. Isn't this called " Charm " ? Best, Nicolas
Just wait for only
six more days. But shave your wrist! I do not want scratches to my new watch - even to the back side... Best, Kari
worth the wait
Hi Kari, It is well worth the wait when you get it on your wrist !! Enjoy soon. Cheers, Gordon
True,
the watch will stay on my writs for a while - at least till the honeymoon is over. Best, Kari
I Completely Concur...
I completely concur with Nicolas' statements above. I am a big fan of enameling (grand feu, cell enamel, and enamel paintings) so I will almost like anything with enamel work on it. Not a big fan of the engraving on the bezel. But I can live with it. But ...
Does anyone know the "real story" behind the 5131's enamel dial
I heard soo many conflicting stories and rumors. To me this world time reference is a work of art with each dial being unique. I cannot help but wonder how many collectors have acquired this masterpiece directly from their AD at list without paying a king...
Yes... i heard so many rumours about the enamelling problems....
The thing is, if this watch was available to me at list price I would still not buy it. That sounds weird after i have already stated that teh watch is breathtaking on the wrist and one of the most beautiful. But is it not possible to admire something wit...
Nico .... ??
Not the great chef Nico from UK ?? Are you referring to him ?? AS for this Patek 5131G or J, is this dial really worth the premium ?? I personally think VC has made some extrodinary enamel dial wristwatches with also writings on them " Mercator ", not to ...
Although I am not the " Great Chief " from UK...
I would also consider a visit to my AD if he called me for this 5131G... Dreaming is free, as I tjink any PP AD would consider calling a lot of people before me. Your comparison with the Mercator, and especially the cloisonné model, is meaningful. Bu...
Well, 5131 is different
...from 5960 and 5980. IMHO, the latter are meant to be "mass" produced. 5131 is not and can't be. Its enamel dial is very difficult to make. Although we see more 5131s showing up now, I doubt in the end there will be many in total. So I want to congratul...
I'd like to hear...
your thoughts on the 5130 WT? I particularly like the hands on this model and te guilloche work in the middle is quite nice. I'm quite tempted by the 5130R or possibly the 5130P.
The 5130 World Time is a great reference...
... because of several reasons: 1) same useful world time function as the 5131, 2) very cool looking blue dial with sunburst guilloche, and 3) very stylish on the wrist. Between the R and P, you should view the two dials under different lighting to see wh...
Correcting myself....
5980 is also hard to find and quite an interesting watch (with a very high price unfortunately) Cheers
5980 and 5960 WERE hard to find...
They ARE not hard to find anymore. That was the meaning of the post you answered to. Best, Nicolas
Last time I was at the Paris Salon
Hi, Last time I was at the Paris salon, both watches were available. I don't know if that's still the case or not (I've already tried on a 5070R available at the Paris salon too, it's no longer available, for this one I'm sure ). Cheers Dje
Thank you
Hi, Great experience! I've had this watch on my wrist and no doubt if I had the money and the opportunity (this one is for you Nicolas) I would kill my bank account! IMVHO there's no point trying to make oneself a definitive opinion without having had it ...
Interesting.....
But where is the wristshot??? An interesting watch indeed.... Although enamel dials are not really my cup of tea... I will Take Dje's word that you really have to see it on your hand.... Hopefully I will be able to.... Cheers
The above photo......................
Is a stunner and really shows the brilliant colours. But that all said, it would not be for me.
Could the guest actually be you? : )
This message has been edited by Roxbury on 2010-06-07 13:42:50
puzzled....
5131 G still is my dream watch.Did You realize a strange thing: Although PP checks everyone who tries to get one and hardly any pieces are around,there are already 5 offered by grey market dealers,4 x5131J and one 5131 G,at astronomic prices. A Syrian gre...
Just because they say they have it is only talk. btw ..
I recall you or a relative (friend) were to receive the 5131. What ever happened?
because hot watches attract flippers....
and even respectable collectors can become temporary flippers when they see a watch they paid £35k for get bid at £100k for.
With no disrespect to you Baron, .. but any real Patek collector who
acquires a 5131 is a fool in my book to ever sell it. To purchase a 5131 at list happens rarely enough in a lifetime. To ever acquire a second one defies reality.
there is no disrespect to me...
as i neither bought one from an AD or even tried....and i most certainly didn't look at one in the 2nd market. However, given that so often one has to buy watches from PP without getting a good chance to really try it out on the wrist, is it not possible ...
I do agree what you are stating ..
the term " in my book" is a slang term which means "in my opinion". I have owned the 5110P which I traded to the original AD I purchased from 7 years before for a 5130P. I sold the 5130P to make room for the 5131 which I am still dreaming of ( I guess I j...
IF this means anything to you ...
About two years ago, i bought my patek 3969PT jump hour, if i am correct to quote, only 50 pcs made in PT, 450 pcs made in RG. All in all, it took me 19 years for the wait before i have the chance to buy this watch. I remember when they first came out, it...
ADs
of course he should sell it at list price if he is honourable. Still,I tried to negotiate that I might get it at 2009 list price -when I ordered it- and he respectfully denied,so whenever it arrives I will have to pay the actual list price but without pre...
Christies auction HK May 29
5131G went for 244'000.00 US!!! Unbelievable... They write in their catalogue that it is discontinued, still on their homepage and delivering a few last pieces. Does anybody of you confirm this rumor?
Incredible!
But if somebody comes me next Tuesday when I get mine and offers the same price, I cry and say "not for sale". Best, Kari
The one sold on Christie's was manufactured in...
2012... which means the flipper just bought recently (late 2012 or early 2013) and sold after a few months for >3X the retail price Patek will definitely track down the flipper and AD and blacklist the flipper and may give a slap on the wrist for the A...
so strange from christie....
.... wrong statement, its obviously not discontinued. Another proof is Kari receiving his in a few days. price is really exaggerated, something weird as they are a few on 2nd market trading around 130k usd.
My watch came to the shop some 2 weeks ago.
I simply did not have time to pick it up earlier. If they would stop "G" and replace it with "P", it wouldn't be too bad. Or would it? Best, Kari
I think they have fixed it now
I had a chat recently with SA at PP Salons in Geneve and they admitted that they sold some items for flippers in th past and now they are monitoring each item. My biggest consern is that they will stop production some day. P.S. i hope i am number 5 in the...
Flipping is GOOD ...
... between J and G, that is! Sorry about the image quality. I have some nice watches, but a crappy camera ... and it's harder than I thought to do a 2-watch wrist shot? There's a lot of chatter in the post(s) about the engraving on the case, the quality ...
Ha!
Amazing what Rothschild wine is capable of ;) This watch is on my list of holy grails. One day perhaps and untill then I will enjoy dreaming about it. Thank you for posting and thank you for sacrificing (perhaps not the right word) a Mouton Rothschild! I ...