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I personally like the J a lot better,
as it’s so full of life and light, and as I’m not fond of white metals nor of black dials. And, as I love the warmth of rose gold, I think I would also enjoy the R very much, even if it might be a kind of heresy to many seasoned collectors. As for the 5970, what a stunning watch (I’m just adding for sheer pleasure a photo of the 4 metals found on Hodinkee)! Enjoy every bit of these two fantastic timepieces!
A few years ago I decided I wanted to acquire a 5970J, but while searching I was offered a 5970P in perfect condition and complete. I couldn’t resist.
I thought to myself, platinum is platinum and in many ways at least for me it is the ultimate metal in a watch. But the thought of yellow never quite left me and so about a year later I began the search. As usual I wanted one that was mint unpolished and ...
Wow two brand new looking examples!
I get it. They have very different vibes, platinum and black dial, yg and white dial. Very nice combo. If I had to pick one likely the P for versatility and that it's platinum. Otherwise that J is really top class too!
Both fantastic!
Congratulations on adding the yellow gold version to your stable. They are both great watches, and the yellow gold version—to me—has a much more vintage, ironically almost casual feel. I have been collecting for so long that I could never count how many w...
Thank you and a quadruple wow and congratulations to you! Great to see all 4 together and your beautiful images get me thinking ….
I could get into deeper trouble😂but I will do my best to resist. But if I were to add a third one, it would be most likely the G. For me the yellow has a warm vintage feel …. classy while the P is bold sporty and daring.
It’s good to have both
That way, when you send one in for service, you won’t miss it as much. 😆 The white dial is a bit more legible in my opinion, but I have always liked black dialed watches so my answer is again, both. 😁
I personally like the J a lot better,
as it’s so full of life and light, and as I’m not fond of white metals nor of black dials. And, as I love the warmth of rose gold, I think I would also enjoy the R very much, even if it might be a kind of heresy to many seasoned collectors. As for the 597...
Thank you for your reply and the image from Hodinkee. I remember that article. You might enjoy reading the best review of the 5970 I have ever read.
Easy to find it thru Google in Revolution Magazine written by its founder Wei Koh and includes his special dial 5970J.
Thank you for the tip: great review indeed!
And Wei Koh's bespoke chocolate dial version is quite attractive. But the regular J or R remain by far my personal favorite. Imho, opening the J, though double-sealed, was a great decision: wearing this piece must be an absolute pleasure!
Glad you enjoyed the article. And yes it is an extreme pleasure to wear especially after it having been double sealed and therefore
almost non-existent for me. Feels like I just acquired a great watch a few days ago.
Very nice!
Somewhat to my surprise, because I’m not usually a colored metal fan, I prefer the J for its legibility and vintage vibe. Both are terrific.
Excellent pair
The black is more sporty and the yellow gold has an old world charm to it. Can't go wrong with either
Both are fantastic.
As far as I’m concerned, it’s ok to own two versions of the same watch. I actually have a bunch, just not two 5970’s lol. Congratulations!
Yes Makes Sense.
When you find something that's perfect for you, stick with it. I get your point on clothing, I do that too.
Thanks. It is clear from the replies that many forum practice, or at least believe, having more than one of a reference can be a good thing.
Also, the same can apply to items other than watches.
If I remember correctly you have an incredible trio of platinum black dials - 3970, 5970 and 5004. I think each 5970 variant is significantly different
from the others. Same goes for 5070s . Can’t go wrong with any variants of these Lemania based watches.
Amazing duo 😍
In the photos, seems like the J looks better and very attractive. Just like I have a few GMTs and Daytonas…it now makes absolute sense. I probably won’t get 2 of the same references but if they are so good, why not? I have never seen a 5970 in real. I tho...
Thanks for your reply. While writing my post I was thinking about you and how your collection is logical, well thought out, varied
and avoids duplication. And how that approach makes so much sense to me. Even thought maybe 5370P blue dial instead of opening sealed 5970J. That thought didn’t last long. If I love something and think it’s perfect I would rather have more than one of the...
Thanks Patekova for sharing your journey and what a great story you provided ! P & J belong together ! They to me are siblings with
many different characteristics. The P with its black dial has a more stark contrast which I like. Naturally the heft of the P must be very satisfying in terms of wrist presence ! It also has a stylish powerful feel to it. The J is very warm and has classy...
Thanks Gordon for your detailed reply and spot on comparison of the 2 watches. Not surprisingly, having all 4 5131s makes total
sense to me, especially since each dial covers a different part of the World. As far as 5370P, my clear favorite is the blue dial, but both are great
Congrats!
Wear both with the best of health and great joy. I am totally thinking the same way. I also think that 5970 is the best of all references and the most beautiful and balanced watch of all. As you said it is a perfect watch. My favorite is J but having both...
P for perpetual…
Back to pre-COVID ages, we were able to see those pieces in person. In my humble opinion, the rose gold and the yellow gold are quite similar to each other. Moreover, we may see the color changing towards convergence in time. But the platinum has a differ...
Thank you for your reply and for posting all those images. I also feel that the R and J are the closest pair to each other aesthetically.
If I were foolish enough 😊 to buy another it would be the G
lovely pair
makes perfect sense to me to have more than one in the same reference. After all they wear quite differently in different dial and metal configurations. But you as the wearer know what your wrist feels good in terms of reference. Congrats on the J, amazin...
Abit late to this but definitely the J
Becoz the Ps date ring has shrunken 3, 7 (in the 27) and 2 (in the 29).. that I am sure will bug me immensely.. Looking at all the pics above, i just noticed that the J date font is slightly different from the R and the G.. My fav is the G actually becaus...
Overly detailed sometimes
And it prevents me from enjoying the p 😕 Eg in one of the j pics above, I noticed the MON seems to be bold but NOV isn’t .. haha