Mark in Paris
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Interesting discussion
Going for 42mm, is something I would also like to remain limited in terms of number of references as well.
However, is it really a fashion trend? Like aesthetcial trends that evolve every x years? Or is it a more objective and long run evolution?
If we look back to the 1930's - 1950's, the watches were much smaller (from 30mm to 34mm let's say, on average). More recently they were let's say around 36 to 40 (let's remain on dressier watches and let's not talk about sporty models which can bear 40 easily).
Then, you see that the standard has evolved very significantly and that it was not a fashion. It is only what we are used to seeing (and more practical to read).
About your 3940 example: yes, people tend to like it. However, I think that it touches more people that are collecting watches and who we can see mainly on forums. Thus, the people sharing their 3940 on forums don't necessarily represent the larger part of buyers, who is going younger and where new generations replace former ones.
So, yes the 3940 si successful today for collectors and forumners but what does it represent among the new generations? My personal opinion is that they don't buy really 3940 but bigger watches (and with a different asthetics too). Thus most people prefer bigger sizes today than the 3940's.
That's why I don't think it is a "timeless" issue (except for above 43mm of course) concerning 42mm watches as it can remain "in" permanently.
In the end, is it a "timeless" issue? Around 40 (for 3 hands) or 42 (for more complicated) is fashion? Or just that you don't want to see 42 because you feel this is "hurting" your own taste and preferences?
I think it is more the latter and please know that I totally understand that and I can feel the same myself (I also find the 42mm too big, for myself). But I think it is a very nice offer and worthy of Patek, without jeopardizing the brand's image.
The thing is that the brand should not be ahead of the others and be bigger than others.
Cheers MB.
5170G-010 vs 5905P-010
Hi all, I am ready to pull the trigger to buy my first Patek. I wanted a brand new one with my own named certificate and I have narrowed down to 5170G-010 (white gold black dial) or the 5905P-010 (platinum black dial). I would love to hear everyone's opin...
First of all, I have
no opinion about the future value. Both are great watches. These two watches are very difficult to compare: - manual vs. automatic - medium sized & slim vs. biggish & thick - simple chronograph vs. AC plus chronograph - WG vs. platinum It really depends w...
If I had the chance to choose between these both watches, it would be the 5905
Why? 1/ Because I always found the positioning of the date counters just perfect 2/ it is an annual calendar (more useful than a chrono IMHO) 3/ it is a dressed watch but can be wear in less casual moments If I were you, I would choose the blue dial inste...
5905
I would go to on the Patek 5905P-010 why i like of the complication of the annual calendar and this watch is more elegant and dressy. About value, I abstain to think about this, buy what will to good on the wrist in time to test drive. Good week! EJR888.
Go for the 5905 whichever metal.
If you really like platinum , go for it. You are only young once. Cheers Geross.
5905P in blue dial
Annual calendar, can be dressed up or down and the blue dial is beautiful.
Both are great watches.
But I personally like the 5170 more because of the movement and manual wind, as well as the aesthetic of breguet numerals and leaf hands. I certainly appreciate the argument for the AC but this 5170 is just my preference. Good luck.
5905P
Mover useful,versatility and in king of metals the platinum of course. About value,I don\'t think both will make a huge loss nor a great but what you love more. Best, Ahmed
5170
Hi, between these two I would get the 5170G. I like the hands, numerals and movement better. Good luck
5170 would be my choice
The manual chrono movement is just gorgeous and the thinner case feels more comfortable on the wrist to me than the 5905.
Hi WWK. This is a question I truly understand because
as was in that same exact case a few months ago! I wanted to buy my first "new Patek" as all my watches were vintage. They were vintage because I find most of the new ones too big. I love the 5110s better than the new WTs. I love the 3800s as much as the ...
Good one!
The 5170 case leaves me a little bit cold, and i would much prefer the 5905P. The 5170 case is a little too thin, and does not have the heft of the P. Good luck!
Looks good on you!
JC, nice post thanks and the 5905 looks extra good on you! It's a real dilemma for me, obviously I like both, I feel that right now the trend favors 5905 i.e. bigger and sportier watch, both are classical and will never go out of style. I wish I could get...
5170 for me
I think that if you want a PP chrono it has to be a manual movement IMO. I tried the 5905P few months ago and I could not get over the thickness. It is heavy on the wrist and I could not wear it all day long. Previous heavy watches I owned spent their tim...
When I bought the 5905p
I asked to try with a folding clasp, and it makes the watch even thicker. That\'s the reason I think.
Platinum Platinum Platinum Annual Calendar PLUS Chronograph
Despite the above, I think you should buy what you love. As far as "investment value" of a regular production modern Patek, I think you should consider your purchase an "investment" in your happiness - no more, no less. Assuming you still can't decide - t...
Thanks everyone for your comments!
They are helpful. I have talked to a lot of Patek owners and "watch enthusiasts" (whatever that means) and I receive the following consistently: 5905P: - AC, sportiness, more in-trend style today 5170G: - Manual chronograph movement is always special and ...
Did you ever consider a 5960P?
I believe the 5905P looks a tad big on your wrist that will make the 5960P looks will get an added power reserve,12 hours chrono counter and a folding clasp as well. Best, Ahmed
Great recommendation
I like the look of the 5960, I think it is no longer in production (5905 was released to replace the 5960 I believe) so will have to get pre-owned. I always think that somehow I would get my first Patek new with my name on the certificate, as a finance pe...
Actually if you do some search...
You should find a new,sealed 5960P with open papers,I don\'t believe it\'s a hard be quite easy. Grey and blue dialed are easier actually than black as black was produced for a shorter period. Best, Ahmed This message has been edited by beejo on 2016-06-...
I have been working the phone....
quite a bit and have not been able to find any 5960-016 with open papers. I found 7 of them so far, spread all over the world, but mostly in "mint" condition. PM me if you have any ideas. I have tried both 5960-016 and 5905 black on and for my wrist I lik...
well.....let me throw another option at you then.....
.....5070 is an icon for Patek. You could find a 5070G.....
Not the best choice buying a brand new Patek right now
*** EDITED, see my reply below*** Watches discussions on our forum is aiming at sharing passion and "horological" content but not about value, best price offer etc... We really don't know how values may behave in the future and what reference will be bett...
Very helpful info thanks...
I think 5905 is too big for me as well so I was leaning towards 5170. Any chance of PM 'ing me your AD? Not sure if there's such a thing as "typical" or "average" discount for new Patek, obviously depends on the reference etc, Edit: discount matter (cf my...
Just google Cortina Watch Indonesia
They're the only Patek authorized dealer here in Indonesia. It's a pretty big chain with shops in Hong Kong, Taiwan, Singapore, Thailand, and Malaysia. *** EDITED per forum rules*** Have you ever thought of looking for a 5070 with open papers? Or as beejo...
Sorry guys....
Our community unfortunately does not endorse open discussions about watch prices and value. It is the belief of the founders of the PuristSPro community and the vast majority of our members, that the discussion of numeric prices and values take away from ...
My apologies Mark
I thought Sotheby's and Christie's auction results are open to public anyway. I've seen results being discussed openly here. How the watch will hold its value was his question. I also see other forum brands in puristpro talk about prices openly. Is this o...
No problem Mario :)
Well, it is always a tricky subject. Giving an auction result is one thing (and allowed), for instance for vintage watches while discussing about history is one thing, but trying to give a value to a watch by selecting a few results is another as it may n...
It was the first in-house built one and the 5170 (white faced) was the first reference to feature this movement-this was cited as "significant" by many
The very first reference to use the 29-535 PS was the ladies 7170 which I believe came out in 2009.
Well, I think there are good reasons
When the 5905 was launched and that people posted pictures here, I remember noticing that many members were very warmly welcoming this new size. Thus there is a real demand for this size. However, is there a perfect size? Definitely not imho. The proporti...
I understand
I understand your points Mark. And yes, they're completely valid. But something about a 42mm Patek (which is not the 5070) somehow "clashes" with my own views of PP. Subtlety, discretion, slipping under a shirt cuff - not quite so possible with a 42mm wat...
Interesting discussion
Going for 42mm, is something I would also like to remain limited in terms of number of references as well. However, is it really a fashion trend? Like aesthetcial trends that evolve every x years? Or is it a more objective and long run evolution? If we lo...
Mark, remember I told you a while ago.
That I really like the 5905P specially in blue. I like the discussion about the size of the 5905,It\'s quite interesting.I will try to defend the 5905(kidding) ) I believe the watch is a bit thicker than normal giving the complications,But when it comes t...
I remember, and your parallel with the 5070's experience is an interesting one indeed.
People often forget what happened in the past Cheers, Mark
Exactly,
sometimes forgetting is a blessing.....And sometimes a curse.....Time only can tell Best, Ahmed
Try them on
Last week in PP boutique in Genever I got the chance to try both on my wrist - and the blue edition of 5905, as well. My findings: though I have a smaller wrist (about 17,5 cm) both/all three do match fine. Due to special form of case, the 5905 looks smal...
I hope never to have this dilema
the breguet numerals and sphistucation of the 5170 and a useless complication being a chrono versus a more useful calendar. 42mm I think bit big for me and 40mm perfect. Manual versus auto the latter I prefer....will probably go 5170
5905 would be my choice....
Firstly, i don't think there is a wrong choice here. Having said that..... The 5905 has a lovely complication......that degree of complexity wins me over a lot. In fact, it would be a decisive factor for me. Future value is always tricky....i certainly ha...
It is what you like
I suspect the 5905 is a tough one to get as the demand is higher I believe.