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Yes indeed, trust but verify - that's the whole reason why I linked you to the GREET model and the MIT LCA course in my previous post, for your own verification needs! The unfortunate case is, verification takes a lot more work than trusting, so most people just tend to give up on the process and goes with their preformed opinions instead!
In science, we try to make it easy by already doing a verification process (peer-review) before publication, which is why typically we are able to trust peer-reviewed publications (despite the issues with the process) more easily - hence why I linked peer reviewed articles (and a publication from ANL) rather than just news articles. For the general public though, I'm not sure what recourse there is apart from taking the time and learning the skills it takes for you do to your "verification" part before you can "trust" - that's not something a scientist can, and should, tell you how to do 
I was wondering who was gonna see that…
just a matter of time before Greta sends us to the cornfield 😆😩
Lol….
Earth is how many millions years old and we are listening to people who are teens or scientists who have few years of college and maybe 20+ years work experience to predict what is going to happen. I still believe Mother Earth and Nature will take care of...
No question the Earth would be fine ...
We know of at least 5 mass extinctions which obliterated most of the existing species at the time. The dinosaurs had a great time while it lasted though! I don't think alarmism, or electric cars for that matter, help much. But if you are buying watches ma...
I agree...but we only know what we know and what current text book says....
What are the lithium battery makers use to excavate? Huge Caterpillar bulldozers which ran on re-chargeable batteries? How can our modern science and physics explain how the ancient Magastructures were built? How those super heavy tons of stones were stac...
I don't really disagree with you!
I just don't like the tendency to mix politics / polices and science. I don't think many in the science community think that electric vehicles are great for environment, especially considering the manufacturing impact. Science is not always right, but ten...
Thank you! I agree with you…and I’m not into the politics.
I’m always trying to see facts, challenge the claims and judge for myself. Good to know about the new models but there is assumption and there are changes that we have to factor into it. In my line of work, root causes, models, evidences and proving/dispr...
When you say that battery production is just as damaging…
Are you taking into consideration the fact that batteries can be recycled? An internal combustion engine can also be recycled, but you cannot recycle the tons of fuel burnt by the engine over its lifetime. Also, battery technology and charging efficiency ...
Your opinion really puzzles me..
regarding how not many in science think that EVs are good for the environment. I'm curious what led you to that impression? I work in academia (specifically in energy-related materials science research), and pretty much all my colleagues and the policy pe...
If scientists spent time personally enlightening every "clueless soul"
there would be no more time for science! In the meantime, scientific consensus is that the operational carbon footprint is still a much larger contribution than the initial fabrication stage, and that as the grid gets more renewable, battery powered vehic...
There is definitely time...Chinese saying, "10 years to shape trees, 100 years to shape humans"
You have to be patient and educate people. There is no point to do something in this continent while continue to do something else in other continents. Trust ... but verify. I don't know nowadays, if I like to verify what I see, or read. Hidden agendas ev...
This!
I don’t post often here, but seeing this thread I had to say something. Thank you for posting this. The simple fact is that the while-life carbon costings show that EVs have a smaller footprint than ICE-powered vehicles. “But my V8!”, people say. Yes, the...
This! about your "This!"
Agreed. When people brand themselves as sceptical, it's often not in good faith, more in line with either avoiding dealing with complex and undesirable outcomes or a sort of dogmatism that masquerades as critical inquiry. This is all too often the product...
Indeed
Thank you for your thoughtful reply. Just to be clear, I wasn’t a skeptic in the way we usually understand that word today - I was just skeptical that it was a big deal. Surely these folks were blowing it all out of proportion? But then I realised that no...
Growth and hypocrisy, two constants it seems...
I didn't mean to imply you were a sceptic; someone above was though. Sorry about that! Still, you're very right that we justify things that way, and I think that justification is, for the time being, the best we've got shy of adopting impractical methods ...
Who are you and what authority do you have…
If you are referring to me? I have moved on and stop responding because this is a waste of time (for me) and everyone is entitled to their own opinions, what is right or wrong is all relative. I take offense if you criticize me as being skeptic as you don...
It doesn't really matter...
I'm criticizing your arguments. Whether you're a decent person was never a question for me, I am just as sure as you are that you are kind and caring. But that doesn't mean I can't criticize your arguments and whether they stand up to scrutiny, and in par...
A polite suggestion, for future reference-
If being labeled a "skeptic" offends you so, then perhaps addressing the folks at the IPCC who put together the sixth assessment report describing the damage anthropogenic climate change is bringing, and the tens of thousands of professors and scientists ...
Just keep the discussion within, not hinting “someone above…”
That is what I’m saying, leave other people alone, no need to call out. Can we move on? Thank you.
Just saw this reply to my post
Sorry, not sure what you meant by “someone above”? Best E.
That Guitar! ROFL! For years I've been telling people I want to create a screaming loud smoke belching shaver that is powered by one of those tiny 2 stroke engines once used
to power model airplanes and just realized it will need a pull cord to start it!
Yeah, the way to go is to reduce production activities and consumption..
But with the world population continue increasing, lets see if technology would be able to support increased activities and consumption with lower carbon emissions.
What I'd like to see is for information distribution systems to stop being more and more like Tass. "That" is the best thing that could happen for the planet and the people on it.
Less information control and manipulation would lead to better decisions on everything.
Precisely. What's the point of marginal technical solutions . . .
. . . when aggregate demand keeps increasing? One child families for half a century. That's the ticket. 👨👩👦
