Patek Philippe

I noticed the previous threads which had been locked

to prevent further discussion. Actually, I thought some of the discussions to be very informative with points made which I had not considered, leading me to step outside of my box to understand the dynamics and circumstances within theirs. I don't view this as a bad thing, controversial... maybe, but it can lead to better understanding for everybody.

Whether I agree with the subject matter or comments made by others is not relevant, but the apparent censorship of some topics and discussions leaves me cold.

I have no idea of the relationship Patek maintains with any members of the forum or what influence they may have on the range of topics, but it seems some selected topics are not open for discussion. Maybe a better description might be "protecting or protection" of the brand from criticism.

Passion, Opinion, Information are the words below PuristSPro and maybe I am missing something here, but there are folks who have opinions (and all sorts of opinions I must say), information to pass on (other than the latest and greatest), and passion for the brand.... all which have value and a place within discussions.

I do believe there should be some degree of censorship to those who post inflammatory topics if their purpose is nothing other than just that.

I will end hoping this is taken with the spirit as it is intended... that Passion, Opinion, and Information can be shared and discussed openly, in a gentlemanly manner of course, of a product which means so much to us all.

about the price

By: Bruno.M1 : August 9th, 2011-09:36

I must confess that I'm one of those who don't always understand these locked threads. 'Investment' posts are always closed and I can understand this. On the other hand, if some people TRY to buy watches as an investment, who are we to forbid it. On the o...

Let's talk watches and not US economy! nt [nt]

By: Dje : August 9th, 2011-11:00

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The only intent in asking my question on the forum was to get a better..

By: Aussie : August 9th, 2011-16:35

understanding, not starting a financial summit.

yes, BUT...

By: PP_Geneve : August 10th, 2011-00:06

sure, let's talk about watches. but please let us not forget that a watch is not simply a watch, not merely a physical object. a watch has many aspects attached to it (tradition, history, values, etc.), and the price -or let's say prices in general- is al...

Value vs. Purism

By: fnk : August 10th, 2011-04:23

As a long time but intermittent lurker, I have a suggestion. Earlier, I followed a thread about whether there should be a Rolex forum, and after some debate & dissent, it opened and is frequently visited by its enthusiasts. I also followed a thread where ...

Very "valuable" idea

By: Bill : August 11th, 2011-08:59

As you noted this is a very democratic place and everyone has a voice and those who choose to use make a difference. The team at ppro is open minded as care equally as much as the members and value the communities thoughts above all. Thanks for your thoug...

+1 [nt]

By: radone : August 9th, 2011-22:43

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We need an unbiased moderator, period.

By: jimjenkins : August 10th, 2011-04:18

I don't know Dje, but thoroughly enjoy his excellent postings on Pateks. His tatest post on the new micromachined silicon parts was truly outstanding. However, he is TOO MUCH IN LOVE WITH PATEK. Therefore, he is not serving us as an unbiased moderator, wh...

I would disagree....

By: MiniCooper : August 10th, 2011-10:54

Actually, from his postings, I think that he prefers JLC to PP... However, a moderator is not good or bad because of his love for a certain watch.... Besides Purist is a privately owned website with s rules and paid moderators... It is up to the owners to...

We have a fine moderator here

By: Zhege : August 10th, 2011-12:03

I have no problems with mods locking or deleting threads / posts as they see necessary. Their responsibilities are to steer and direct the discussions as they (and the owners of the site) see fit. This forum is not a democracy - we participants agree to a...

Sure, but no I'm not too much in love! nt [nt]

By: Dje : August 10th, 2011-14:52

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By the way thanks a lot for the support received! nt

By: Dje : August 10th, 2011-14:55

No message body This message has been edited by Dje on 2011-08-10 14:56:30

Jim no offense but..........

By: TonyR : August 10th, 2011-15:35

I think if you've ever tried to moderate a forum your opinion on the topic would be very different. Without getting into the details, its an enormous amount of work and for the most part a hobby to everyone who does it. To say we should have someone unbia...

I totally support Jérôme's decision.

By: foversta : August 10th, 2011-12:20

It is not because I'm a moderator too. It is because me too I start to be very tired will all these posts dedicated to value. I'm not stupid, I know that one of the reasons of the purchase of a Patek watch is this kind of argument... and by the way totall...

+1

By: watch-guy.com : August 10th, 2011-13:10

Yes , I know it is a lazy way of posting but hey its 0600 here Julian

I totally concur. Discussing about value, when it comes to watches, is a

By: amanico : August 10th, 2011-14:51

Sterile discussion. Most of the watches, PP and Rolex included, are not investments, but only for consumer purpose. Discussing about Value is like guessing the winning numbers at the Lottery. And for the few watches which can be seen as investments, it wo...

Would you please read Jim's post again..??

By: paulus : August 11th, 2011-07:58

Come on - Its not fair to jump on the guy just because he dares express an opinion. Personally, I find our moderator rather good, but as to whether he is only in love or too much in love with Patek is just word games. I do have the sense that a critical v...

Free speech on a privately owned forum?

By: Zhege : August 11th, 2011-08:41

I think we are getting to the beating a dead horse stage here, but... The forum is not the public street corner. It is a privately owned entity that has certain rules of conduct, and a moderator force that is empowered to keep things on track as they see ...

It never ceases to amaze me

By: Bill : August 11th, 2011-09:17

how thoughtful and caring the community is with regard to the forum and conduct on the forum. The time that people take to compose meaningful comments shows that the members accept and embrace their role within the community the good the bad and the ugly....

Well written, Bill. [nt]

By: amanico : August 11th, 2011-12:24

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My regards for pointing out . . .

By: Dr No : August 12th, 2011-12:06

. . . what may not have been immediately obvious by way of comparison with other forums, Meiwenti. Freedom of expression is a value we cherish, and content is deleted or locked only after conscientious review, often as a team effort. Removing churlish or ...

Well, you should also read my 43 000 posts, and you will see if ...

By: amanico : August 11th, 2011-12:12

I always write " oh what a superb watch from x or y manufacture...". You will notice that I'm often direct in my positions, even with the brand I moderate ( JLC, if youn didn't know, already ). When I disagree, I say it. Look at my positions on the Panera...

A lot of differing opinions surely surfaced with

By: whit : August 11th, 2011-21:49

my post and I read everyone's thoughts with interest.... it shows the diversity of the forum and its members. I spent quite a bit of time writing the post, not to accuse anyone, create suspicion or discontent, but to better understand the process and the ...

Now, that is an interesting point of view, whit.

By: amanico : August 12th, 2011-11:12

Dealing or living with a brand for many years allows you to have deeper feelings, of course. As for Jerome, his moderation with PP is one of the most difficult task, I think. This should never be forgotten. Best, Nicolas.

about china

By: gcTIME : August 18th, 2011-08:48

i think this kind of stereotyping needs to stop. if one were to start saying things like americans and europeans ought to stop buying ultra expensive timepieces and focus on paying off their national debts, how do you think they would feel? be careful wit...

Well they (we) indeed should pay off some of their (our) debt! :-) nt

By: Dje : August 18th, 2011-10:31

Agree, too many people...

By: enjoythemusic : August 18th, 2011-14:37

...seem to be slanted towards their personal country of preference and not having a true world view of various situations.