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Fully agreed on robbing a bank before considering any of the three! ;-)
The T30 is my favorite Journe and it could be my pick between the three.
I also love the 5101, but would it fit my smaller wrist? I have doubts.
Also, as I love to wind my watch daily, the 10-Day PR does nothing for me.
That said, it's a stunning piece and I hope to see one IRL someday.
Best, Emmanuel
Which rear Tourbillon for you?
Sorry for the low quality photos, but I think this comparison makes a lot of sense and is very interesting : Urban Jürgensen UJ-1 Patek Philippe Ref. 5101P F.P. Journe T30 I really like all three of them and I'm still hesitating on my favorite, but I wond...
I'm afraid it is too long for my wrist.
Also, as I love to wind my watch daily, the 10-Day PR does nothing for me. That said, it's a stunning piece and I hope to see one IRL someday. Best, Emmanuel
Fantastic design,
but I think it's probably too long for my wrist. Also, as I love to wind my watch daily, the 10-Day PR does nothing for me. That said, it's a stunning piece and I hope to see one IRL someday. Best, Emmanuel
All three are good.
The Patek doesn't look good on my wrist - as it's too long. But the other two look decent on my wrist! Were you planning on loaning me one?
I'm not sure 5101 would look good on my wrist either.
Also, as I love to wind my watch daily, the 10-Day PR does nothing for me. That said, it's a stunning piece and I hope to see one IRL someday. I would gladly loan you one, if I owned any! ;-) Best, Emmanuel
I know more women who wear the 5101 than men!
I know of two or three women who seem to frequently wear their 5101s and wear them more often than their male partners. One of these women is quite famous as she's the partner of a famous watchmaker.
I agree, winding rituals are best done daily!
And thank you for that reminder! I have two watches I should be winding soon! I'm touched you'd loan me a watch! Very kind! I know you don't say that lightly! Big hug to you my friend!
Realistically, Patek
Now that UJ looks good, but the price is just ridiculous in my view. I think the Patek is great value for money today (relatively speaking). The FPJ is unattractive to me. Dirk
Of course, price wise the 5101 is the only “realistic” option as you say.
But I'm not sure if it would suit my smallish wrist. Also, as I love to wind my watch daily, the 10-Day PR does nothing for me. That said, it's a stunning piece and I hope to see one IRL someday. I would also love to see the UJ, which I like and the FPJ, ...
I'm glad you rank the T30 so high.
I've seen none of the three in person, but the T30 has always felt very attractive to me. Best, Emmanuel
It's a stunning piece and the strap is easy to swap.
But I fear that it is too long for my wrist. Also, as I love to wind my watch daily, the 10-Day PR does nothing for me. That said, it's a stunning piece and I hope to see one IRL someday. Best, Emmanuel
Aha! ;-)
The PP is very appealing, but might be too long for smaller wrists. Also, as I love to wind my watch daily, the 10-Day PR does nothing for me. That said, it's a stunning piece and I hope to see one IRL someday. Best, Emmanuel
These are terrific!
The quality of the pieces and the way you captured them more than makes up for the pixel quality! In fact the quality adds a sense of style and ruggedness to the shots! I agree with your choice, but that luscious sheen the PP is undeniable!
Not my photo, unfortunately. I borrowed it from @ thedeadwatchsociety.
I'm glad you like the T30 too. The 5101 is a wonderful timepiece too, but it might not suit smaller wrists very well. Also, as I love to wind my watch daily, the 10-Day PR does nothing for me. That said, it's a stunning piece and I hope to see one IRL som...
The long power reserve is the thing I personally like the least about the PP:
I like to wind my watches daily! That said, it's a stunning piece and I hope to see one IRL someday. Best, Emmanuel
Ugh...
Tough choice. Love the PP movement but that case not great for my wrist. FPJ for me, quattro.
Exactly my thoughts: love the PP, but fear it wouldn't suit my wrist properly.
Also, the T30 has always been a favorite of mine. Best, Emmanuel
Why is that
Kari is an amazing watch maker. No one complains about his stuff? I just don’t know the history. And while we are at it, why zero love in the community writ large for CVDK?
I don't know concerning CVDK.
Concerning these new UJs they have been criticised as way too thick and the lugs have been considered unappealing.
Patek for sure
It's just a gorgeous fully-realized piece of work. An all-time great as far as I'm concerned! UJ's movement is super impressive but the case and dial just don't speak to me at all. Journe is a really fantastic watch that, standing completely on its own, M...
I completely understand your preference and your feelings.
I personally much prefer rear tourbillons and the T30 has always felt very appealing to me. I find the 5101 fascinating, but I fear that it is too long for my wrist. Also, as I love to wind my watch daily, the 10-Day PR does nothing for me. That said, it'...
So do I! My local dealer had one recently...
but somehow it sold before I could come by to see it! Very inconsiderate of them.
I'm glad you like the UJ too: I think it deserves much more love than it gets.
That said, the T30 has always felt very appealing to me. Best, Emmanuel
It's a stunning piece.
But would it fit my smaller wrist? I wonder. Also, as I love to wind my watch daily, the 10-Day PR does nothing for me. That said, it's a stunning piece and I hope to see one IRL someday. Best, Emmanuel
I'm glad you like the UJ, which deserves much more love than it gets, imo,
even if its price is ridiculously high. Best, Emmanuel
I understand you choice, even if matching
such a front with such a back wouldn't be very harmonious! Best, Emmanuel
Most definitely not! 😊
But if I where in the lucky position to choose between these, the Patek would be the choice if the wearing experience was decisive. But the movement of the UJ is to die for, and would probably win the day. The feeling of knowing what no one else knows is ...
I completely agree with you.
Also, having the tourbillon on the back is a way of getting the best of “both worlds”: having a true “wearing device”, a proper watch telling the time beautifully AND a true “watchmaking or horological device”, with a fascinating mechanism.
The Patek, but not this Salmon dial.
Instead the blue, salmon is just to limiting and not my taste. ...
I understand your taste for this blue dial.
It changes the look of the watch completely. But I'm personally not attracted to blue dials, so I still prefer the salmon (or the 2013 bespoke black dial: www.watchprosite.com ) Best, Emmanuel
The T30 and you are probably not surprised, coming from me
But what I would just add is how beautiful the dial is executed when you see it up close. It’s in a different league than the other two. My second pick would be the Patek. PS. The T30 is my grail
I know that the T30 is your grail, dear Christian, and I understand your love so well!
It has always been a favorite of mine and the FPJ I would dream to own. I know it'll remain a dream, but one of the nicest I have. I really wish you to be able acquire one someday: it would make so much sense for such a distinctive FPJ collector as you! B...
I understand your preference.
But would this long case suit my smaller wrist? I wonder. Also, as I love to wind my watch daily, the 10-Day PR does nothing for me. That said, it's a stunning piece and I hope to see one IRL someday. Best, Emmanuel
I always love your posts, Emmanuel.
Three incredible watches, and an impossible choice. That has always been my favorite Patek, but I’ve never had a chance to try one on. Hopefully one day…
Thank you so much, Jason.
Like you, I hope to be able to try on the 5101 someday. But would it suit my smaller wrist? I have doubts. Also, as I love to wind my watch daily, the 10-Day PR does nothing for me. That said, it's a stunning piece. Best, Emmanuel
1. UJ, 2. PP, 3.FPJ
Don’t know the price of any of them but aesthetically this would be my ranking.
Great, I'm glad you rank the UJ so high, as it is a stunning piece, imo,
even if its price is ridiculously high. Best, Emmanuel
I like and fully understand your ranking.
Also I'm glad you like the UJ, which doesn't get the love it deserves, imo, even if its price is ridiculously high. Best, Emmanuel
I owned the Patek ....
several years ago, and it's one of the very few watches I've so/ld that I wished I had kept. Patek, hands down!
I can fully understand your regrets: such a stunning piece.
But would it fit my smaller wrist? I have doubts. Also, as I love to wind my watch daily, the 10-Day PR does nothing for me. That said, it's a stunning piece and I hope to see one IRL someday. Best, Emmanuel
Yes, they're all wonderful timepieces, Steve.
But I fully understand your ranking and your preference for the 5101, which is absolutely stunning. But would it fit my smaller wrist? I have doubts. Also, as I love to wind my watch daily, the 10-Day PR does nothing for me. That said, it's a stunning pie...
Good points, Emmanuel.
I forgot to think about the fact that I prefer round watches to rectangular watches. I also enjoy the routine of winding daily 👍
Love the Patek
But I feel it would be too large for me. Between the other two… UJ movement side, FPJ dial.
I have the same doubt concerning the 5101.
Also, as I love to wind my watch daily, the 10-Day PR does nothing for me. That said, it's a stunning piece and I hope to see one IRL someday. I would also love to see the T30, an all-time favorite of mine and the UJ, which I find wonderful. Best, Emmanue...
I certainly understand why you rank it so high: such a stunning piece!
But would it fit my smaller wrist? I have doubts. Also, as I love to wind my watch daily, the 10-Day PR does nothing for me. That said, it's an incredible piece and I hope to see one IRL someday. Best, Emmanuel
Maybe my favorite FPJ even though it's not his normal style...
...tough choice between that and the Patek...would have to try them on and rob a bank before deciding...
Fully agreed on robbing a bank before considering any of the three! ;-)
The T30 is my favorite Journe and it could be my pick between the three. I also love the 5101, but would it fit my smaller wrist? I have doubts. Also, as I love to wind my watch daily, the 10-Day PR does nothing for me. That said, it's a stunning piece an...
I think i am on the same boat as you with the T30
Always been one of my fav FPJ . But that Patek is also a incredible watch . Different but beautiful
I'm glad you like the T30 too: such a wonderful timepiece.
I also love the 5101, but would it fit my smaller wrist? I have doubts. Also, as I love to wind my watch daily, the 10-Day PR does nothing for me. That said, it's a stunning piece and I hope to see one IRL someday. Best, Emmanuel
I'm glad you like the back side of the UJ: I think this watch deserves much more love than it gets,
even if its asking price is ridiculously high. I also love the 5101, but would it fit my smaller wrist? I have doubts. Also, as I love to wind my watch daily, the 10-Day PR does nothing for me. That said, it's a stunning piece and I hope to see one IRL so...
All three would be treasures in any collection.
What a comparison! Three very different philosophies of tourbillon watchmaking at the absolute pinnacle of the craft. Thanks for this wonderful report. Bill
Thanks a lot, Bill.
Yes, this is an incredible trio showing how incredibly creative even very traditional watchmaking can be. Owning any of the three would be pure joy! Best, Emmanuel
I understand your preference for the PP.
But I personally find the other two pretty great too. Best, Emmanuel