Patek Philippe

Battle of three Patek Philippe titans : Ref. 5270J-001 Perpetual Calendar Chronograph with caliber CH 29-535 PS Q - 41 x 12.8 x 49.5 mm case Ref. 5970J Perpetual Calendar Chronograph with caliber CH 27-70 Q - 40 x 13.3 x 46.4 mm case Ref. 5004P-021 Perpet...  

If the 5004 was a bit bigger that would be my first choice It's too thick for it's size

but yes the dimensions aren't ideal.

Best, Emmanuel

But of all the Patek Perpetual Chronos, I have a soft spot for the 3970 (white metal, black dial, no diamonds, if I am allowed to be picky). And for my wrist the smaller size still works.

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I just wish it wasn't 15 mm thick.

I understand your hierarchy.

5004, 5970, 5270 based on my own taste of the movement, complication and rarity.

Gordon. Shape wise I also prefer 5004 but I find it very thick at 15 mm. Best, Emmanuel

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For me the 5270 is the winner. I like the lugs and dial layout. From a practical standpoint, when I was in the process of acquiring a PP PCC, it was the one in production. 5004 is fantastic in its own right, the pushers and crown make it less desirable to... 

The only time when I was able to see 5270 and 5970 side by side I didn’t find them to be fundamentally different. Concerning the 5004, it’s the thickness rather than the pushers or crown which bothers me. Best, Emmanuel

I was ably only once to see them side by side and I didn’t find them fundamentally different. They share a very similar appearance and feel. I wish you the best for your 5970 hunt! Best, Emmanuel

Or5970 salmon dial

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All three of course 🙃

but I digress..

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Feels much more special to me

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So for me it’s the 5270( with the chin), due to the bigger month-day and cleaner overall look of the dial. But to be honest, for me personally, nothing beats the 3970. The 5270 family: Best, Zsolt. ...  

I think it is underrated. And I fully understand why you even prefer the 3970, which is wonderful. Best, Emmanuel

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but i am not in market for one of them anyway. Best, Ashot

5004 in any metal!!!! Did I say 5004?? The arabics. The split second. The history. The movement. The endearing size and so called “hamburger” effect. It’s a quintessential Patek and one of the all time greats. The others are beautiful. I am fortunate enou... 

I would gladly leave these two watches to anyone who is interested and I will go and try to find a 5100P or a 5105P or a 5101P. ...  

I completely understand your feeling concerning the 5004. It is quintessential Patek indeed and, to a certain extent, more full of charm and appeal than the 5970. Best, Emmanuel

If I must choose, it’s 5004, 5970 and 5270, in that order. In reality I would be ecstatic to own any of these. Or all of these 😎.

and I understand your order of preference. Best, Emmanuel

I would go with the platinum split seconds. Among other things I like the pump pushers for the chrono.

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All are grails. They have Pros and Cons. Can't be wrong with any. I have a soft spot for white metals, so 5004p if I must pick one.

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Judging these watches on photos or during a few try on sessions is one thing, but owning them and being able to really spend some time with them is something else. So, the "real" owner's feedback is very valuable. Best, Emmanuel

Since these have a cost, and I am a bit late. I feel 2 x 5270Ps is better than either a 5970P or a 5004P. I'll also take a cheaper 5204P versus a 5970P or a 5004P.

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clearly with the 2499 DNA, I might overlook the somewhat rather thick 5004 case and choose that. 5270J, a very nice watch, but in this group a distant 3rd.

I’ve never tried on a 5004, but I’ve tried on a 5204 and the thickness didn’t feel right on my wrist. Best, Emmanuel ...