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I had some chronos in the past (and still have)
and I must say I nearly never use them. But, like many complications I must say that in the mean time I'm quite happy to have a chrono watch as well...
I imagine that, like most of the complications we like in watchmaking but don't use, it is sometimes more for the craftmanship, engineering solutions etc... than the real usefulness.
As you mentionned, the manual chronograph are a very appealing interpretation of the chrono function (though it is around 74K€ in Europe versus 67K€ for the 5930). I would consider personally more the style of the watch above the functions in this case but this is just me. The craftmanship and joy to look at a manual wound chrono is another story!
Cheers Karl,
Mark
New Patek Philippe 5930 World Time Chronograph: Hands-on Review and Thoughts
INTRODUCTION As you certainly know, the new Patek Philippe 5930, which was launched during the last Basel fair, is taking after the older and unique-made 1415-1 piece ordered in 1940. It was the first and only Patek with the World Time and Chronograph com...
Certainly a tantalizing piece...
and IMO one of the more interesting offerings from PP. Great review and I look forward to seeing this one in the metal. Thank you for the report!
Indeed, it is a reference showing more and more appeal
as long as we start to discover and understand it. A lot to appreciate! You'll be soon able to see it at ADs and I think it is on the wrist that it shows its full potential. Thanks a lot for your kind words J Cheers, Mark
Great Review
Thanks for the great review...I still have exactly 21 days until I collect my watch from the AD so will share pictures later. My own views on the watch is that its a casual watch. I wouldnt wear it with my suits. That I will keep the 5130 for the office a...
This is going to be nice
As I said earlier, I'm also considering several references as a next purchase and take a lot of time to do so. The 5930 I understand you picked as well is on the list so I'll be very interested by your feedback after a while wearing it. Just in time for C...
First of all, thanks for the great article.
60k+ for this? I might rather bang my head against the wall until I faint. Fully correct re font. I have no clue why they used that one. The PP logo on the dial with the little plaque is found in that way on my 5130, so noting new here. Hand look plain co...
It's my pleasure Tony, thanks!
Thanks for mentionning about the 5130's plaque. The others have an embossed version but the silver WG has the plaque too. I just noticed it is rare and something I liked on this dial, that's all... About the sub-dial, there is I think no room to put it lo...
Very interesting and well written review, Mark. Some thoughts...
Not definitive thoughts, as I still have to see the watch in the real. First of all, I like the case, its diameter, most of all, its lugs, too. Maybe a tad thick, though. The bezel, I would have preferred a flat one, rather than this one. But I guess it w...
Interesting thoughts
As I said to Tony about the counter, it was hard to place it lower because of the 24-h, now could it be better to remove the counter? Hard to tell as there would only be remaining the second chrono hand: hence not a chrono anymore... But I understand that...
IMHO this one is perfect sport casual look
Not sensual instead corporate contemporary and cool
Excellent review, Mark
This is a superb review. I have to say, my initial impression of the watch was not overwhelmingly positive. However, this one really does need to be seen in the flesh. It takes on a different persona in the flesh. Not only the colour of the dial but also ...
Will be a favourite
On another forum the poll was 80% in favour. I think PP is going the right way with 5524. 5930 and others. They won't always get it right but at least they exploring new options. I mean how many more tears do we need to guess whether Baselworld will bring...
I agree with you on the direction Patek are going.
For my tastes, as long as Patek keep making watches like the 5524, 5990, 5930 and 5230 I\'ll be happy.
I think these new references will have different fame
But they are definitely preparing the future, scanning the future. When the Nautilus, the 5960 appeared for instance, it wasn't the most obvious and easy choice imho. And I even tried to imagine when the 5980 was launched in 2006 with the rest of the 30th...
My pleasure Joe!
I must say I followed a "bumpy" road at the beginning too concerning this reference: I loved it on the video, then I didn't know what to think and wasn't really attracted and it came back after I saw it several times and now I like very much. But there ar...
a watch without a rival, not fully traditionally made but: a very clever move from Patek
To me it looks like a fantastic new Patek, sensibly sized and executed with the quality we are used from Patek, like the three levels on the hands that you are describing. I have no criticism to make except the silicon spring: that has nothing to do with ...
What I like is that they have found a very good association of the classical case with...
...more modern lines. About the hairspring, how people feel about this kind of innovations in classical watches and what they want to see is a very wide subject... From a craftmanship standpoint, I totally see your point though as it has to be automatized...
Thank you Mark for such a comprehensive write-up!
The ascetics of this watch is great because it has been designed properly as you have described. Furthermore, IMO 5930 is a reference that "makes sense" because the combination of the Worldtime function and chrono is logical. For example: A traveler might...
The chrono is there because they can
I don't think a chrono has any use anymore and 30 min less so! Basically same price as a 5170 with a Worldtime thrown in
I had some chronos in the past (and still have)
and I must say I nearly never use them. But, like many complications I must say that in the mean time I'm quite happy to have a chrono watch as well... I imagine that, like most of the complications we like in watchmaking but don't use, it is sometimes mo...
I think indeed the aesthetics will seduce more and more as time goes by
I had some thoughts about the chrono function and I came to the conclusion that it was impossible to come to a perfect solution, satisfying all the needs (except if we decide to allow the case to be a little bigger). I imagine this is the same with World ...
Thank you
Thank you for your analysis! Very interesting to read. I completely agree about the font on the subdial maybe better in person...
My pleasure Coz!
It is a reference I had pleasure seeing in the metal (more than others from the catalogue I find less interesting even if more on the traditional side). Thanks a lot for your kind words Cheers, Mark
Great Review Mark Thanks for all the hard work
Personally I am not moved by this piece but agree that it needs to be seen in the flesh before making any decision I feel that is really a put together- Patek thought which two complications can we throw together and make a "new " watch It feels bit try h...
It is interesting to see how we feel concerning this reference sometimes
the kind of "should I stay or should I go" thing :p I think it is a reference that will lead to the wider evolution about wether we like it or love it (or not!). Yes, the case is very interesting as confirmed imho with the 5230 that shares the same design...
Always a pleasure to read one of your reviews Mark.
You brought out a number of details I hadn\'t observed, such as the angle of the 5 and 7 hour markers, and is very informative. I fully agree with your view on the case and lugs, which are beautiful. I also love the guilloche on the 5930 much more than on...
I am going to agree on thickness....think it's getting too close to hockey puck Lange. I don't care about chrono's and don't have one in the collection....
The 5230 doesn't move me enough away from the 5130 but then I am in the minority that I didn't like the 5110. I use a WT daily, I want to see the time zones easily and this will be the true test for the 5930. The challenge for me is which casual watch wil...
It is indeed a watch I had time to observe quite very much since it was announced
The proportions is something indeed very different from usual standards and I think that people may appreciate that on the long run (or not :p ). We'll see in the future. I'm still wondering if this is a reference I'd like to get but this is definitely on...
What a remarkable write-up & comprehensive review !.. Actually read & then re-read it.. Being a non-PP owner, I learned quite a bit !
Although my own humble interest can only afford some "standard" ranks, or better: monospecialties; Either WTs or Chronos, no "hybrids". - But your points raised & deliberations were educational & inspiring.. IMHO, Some complexity of the timepiece presente...
There is much to learn about watches and they often bring more than what is visible
from outside There are many watches out there we can't afford but I would say it is like cars: you can appreciate a Ferrari 250 GTO, a Lambo Miura or more reently a Bugati Veyron, a masterpiece painting whithout being able to afford it but we already know...
Thanks for sharing your opinion about this one
It is funny but I feel this is a watch I will like more and more as time goes by. Cheers, Mark
Well....it is a world time after all :)
It is the first time in years since Patek had last made a World time Chronograph, it surely is reviving its historic icon, matched with a beautiful guilloche dial. Although one little thing i have to pick a bone of Patek's automatic chronograph movement, ...
I made the same observation and was explained it is not the same "stop" display
When I asked why it was so with the 28-520 caliber, I've been explained by Patek that the winding mechanism is not made of a crown+stem element that is linked with wheels and pinions to the barrel, added to a usual stopping display (thus the click when st...
Sorry, i m totally lost now... as a beginner
Hi Mark thanks for the information, but I honestly still don't have a clue as to how the system works. I guess it would be great if we could get some picture illustration from Patek about the CH28-520, that could really help if possible. Cheers Tin
Link
I added a picture of the movement in that thread: I'll try to ask more about it but this is the spirit of the mechanism.
Your Review
What a great and in-depth review of this outstanding Patek! It is truly an amazing Patek!
I think indeed it is a very interesting one
on many levels, technically and aesthetically, I'm sure I'll like it more and more in the future. A design to be followed Thank you racer! Cheers, Mark
Most impressive and detailed write-up of an amazing piece!
This is bad news, it makes me want one.
Mon Ami
Wonderful writeup, and exceptional pictures. It has been many days since I've seen your name grace this place, though your name has come to mind far more frequently. Hope you are keeping well, and very happy to see a post! Colton
5930g vs 5130/1g-011
These 2 have almost the same market value at the moment. And they are from around the same production year as well. Which one should I choose?
Value aside, which
reference sings to you more ? Do you prefer 1) the chrono + worldtime or just worldtime function, 2) guilloche on 5930 or the sunburst guilloche on 5130 ? , and/or 3) dauphine hands or scissors hands ? Personally I enjoy the 5130G more because of its icon...
