Patek Philippe

Hi everyone, While we are waiting for our fellows Purists from Geneva, I was taking a look at the new chronograph model and took a look at the pictures from Patek's official website (there is a video too for each novelty). The 5975 (4675 for ladies) exist...  

As you are saying: this auto chrono movement was designed to run constantly as a "natural" way to work. And as you are correctly saying it gives the watch a simple three hand watch appearance. This one is typical Patek; discrete, elegant, conservative BUT... 

And maybe calling it a chronograph is finally not perfectly appropriate. It is more an unusual (in Patek's collection) complicated 3 hands watch that can be used as an instrument (telemetre, pulsometre and tachymetre). And I love this case :) Cheers, Mark... 

It is still a chrono as you can start, stop and let it fly back. Just a one1 minute chrono. I find the case also very appealing and the yellow gold version the best looking one. Best Moritz

but because I'm just a simple man, steel for me. Either black or very dark blue dial... That would drive me nuts. Best, Kari

But I would feel modest and a steel watch can be used more freely than a golden one. Best, Kari

For the rest, I love it... But because it is an automatic movement, it won't be an hypothetic target, for me. Best, Nicolas

Not that the hands of the WT Anniversary could fit this one but I would have liked they make the same effort of making something more original. As for the automatic wind, I do regret the 5170's movement but as it has a solid case-back I don't really bothe... 

Yes, I know its an auto movement, but it was at the time a very interesting display for a chrono, and it was the first in house Patek movement. I do want to also point out, as it appears others don't recall, but you can run the 5980/5960 movement continuo... 

Something else than an auto movement. There is a kind of mismatch between the dial, which looks very retro, classic, and the movement.... Which should have been manual, in my opinion.... Best, Nicolas

A three scaled chrono in one watch that looks like a three handed classic watch has to be powered by this auto movement. Developer at Patek have used this auto movement possibly in the best way at all as the chrono movement was meant to run continuously a... 

.....like you, Nicolas, my first impression was that this would have been better as a manual. Yet, that would have occurred to Patek too....in fact, the question jumps as to why they decided to go automatic....and I think given the lack of sundials, Morit... 

Really growing on me. the shape of the lugs is beautifull, dial is busy but I will get used to it Must say I also prfer manual winding movements and definitely for chronographs but since this one has a solid back I can live with it LOL

If you remeber: the first in-house automatic chrono by Patek runs continiously, even if you stop the chrono hand, the chrono movement parts are still running! If Patek would use theire manual chrono for this model the watch would not work as a three hand ... 

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But today I know for sure, I'm in Love. What a beautiful piece of art it is.

Isn't automatic movements a merit than manual ones ? For you can still wind an automatic movement manually but a manual movement cannot be recharged automatically by wearing.

According to them, 95% of the clients and potential clients are swearing by automatic movements... That is why, in the early 60ies, manual movements were replaced by automatic movements. Some even thought that Quartz was better than mechanical movements..... 

......this watch has something. It has something of the Factor X about it. I appreciate that this is just a personal opinion and really has no truth other than to me...and on a personal level....but, the last watch that Patek made that had a similar Facto... 

I could read your thoughts all day Joe :) This watch really has something extra, without giving the impression it was superfically build up. The more time passes, the more I might desire it too. Thanks for the input ;) Cheers, Mark

I didn't like late Patek novelties, (I hate the 5960A :) ) , but this is beautiful. The case is fantastic with this complicated shape, lovely dial reminding the 30s/40s watch (most of the time a telemeter scale actually). The automatic movement can be see... 

"horse whisperer" to me. I like the way you put it together and I love your passion. Cheers, Oliver

what are the pushers for? It's a chronograph that does not record elapsed time so do the pushers simply start, stop and reset the sconds hand?I know this is a stupid question. Love the case and dial, but still trying to understand the watch. Kind regards,... 

You have 3 scales : - Pulsometre (to count your heartbeats over 15 pulsations), - Tachymetre (to measure the speed of an object over 1000km) - and Telemetre (to measure the distance of an object from us by counting the gap between when we see the event st... 

A very important detail :-). This watch can only work with this auto movement from the 5960. Best Moritz

And as you said the yellow gold looks fantastic but I presume the way the picture was taken helps this too ;) This 5975 is growing on me. Cheers, Mark

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But the 5575G does and as long as there is one that speaks to each individually and one has a great chance to get ---that is all that matters! So for me 5575G for sure and for others the 5975. Cheers,

......but the Chrono is the one that calls to me at the moment.....i wonder what it will feel like when it is on the wrist....that will be important. The Moon Time.....beautiful

With these lyre lugs...

The truth is all of these will be limited and in speaking to Patek not sure how many will even make way here to US. If one can get any of them that fits their bill then get it! I will put in application for enamel as well why not! We shall see. For me the... 

.....no right...no wrong....just what appeals to us individually? The moment I saw the 5975P I thought it was breathtaking...aesthetically. There is nothing aesthetically I would change. Then I saw it was an automatic movement....and yes, that was a negat... 

I'm glad we have two quite different watches being able to please a quite wide range of Patek enthusiasts: the 5575 and the 5975. I'm not a fan of the 5130 but I must say they did something really nice with the 5575 :) Cheers, Mark

As least that's the way I like it for my watches. May I ask what is the point of a 2 pusher chronograph for a chrono that only measure short lapses of time (if I understand correctly)? Off course, this kind of watch has been done before in the 40's (maybe... 

There is a big mismatch between the look and the mechanic. It is a bit extremist, but in a certain way, it makes me think about Longines re editions. I can't get the point to make a Watch with a strong 30ies / 40ies look and an automatic movement. Last ar... 

Dear Nicolas, the two arguments I advance are part of the same logic. I do not know whether there is a sharp difference between a fine and cool automatic movement. For me the first thin El Primero were both... But putting a double pusher where only histor... 

Hey Z', What you say is perfectly logical and makes sense (about the monopusher matter). But I would say that a watch should not be judged and analyzed on a sole logic angle and that some unrational or aesthetical criteria could be implied and change the ... 

.......I can see your issue more now..... ...I think I said from the off.....this is a cool watch. Coolest since the 5070 in terms of chrono. Purity of function. Quirkiness. Aesthetically beautiful. Unique. Its very very cool.

The manual chrono movement would stop after 30 minutes and hence can not be used in this watch as it would not work as a three hand watch. This auto runs perpetually, even if you stop the second hand: it is still running in the "background". The two pushe... 

Rather than associate an aesthetic which mismatches with This movement. I would have been more seduced, I think. Best, Nicolas

I actually think that this lack of feeling/ feel for history is quite surprising for a house like Patek Philippe.

.....really understood, it will be seen as possibly the killer from the 175th. Its functional purity combined with this quirky "need" for an automatic movement is attractive to me. I think the dial aesthetics are superb. To be blunt, there is nothing abou... 

I can see we will be debating this watch for a while! With just 100 worldwide being produced, though, it may be one that never gets real wrist-time appreciation.... We'll have a small private bet (incidentally, you never paid me for the last time I won a ... 

As major as a new Longines Chronograph, with an automatic movement, a date, and a dial from the 40ies.... It seems that Patek linked this one to its Past. Which is a major mistake, for those who love modern AND vintage Chronographs. For me, a Nautilus 598... 

I think its coherent.......for me, it fits into your third category well. We are going to differ on this...and it may take until the watch is released to evaluate it fully. Initially, you said that you didn't like its auto movement..... but its auto movem... 

We will have to see how patek allocates the watches.

I was also at the beginning a bit too surprised, too irritated by the 5975. The dial, the unusual function and the movement. But after Mark's comments I remembered the special point / feature of that auto chrono movement and the coin dropped :-). As you a... 

A regular chrono can do everything this watch does.....and a lot more. A manual chrono does not "stop" after 30 minutes. If you want to keep the chrono running longer it is fine. Who cares if the minute counter is only 30 minutes, it will just run to the ... 

... very much appreciated! I do not own a chrono as I am not a " chrono man" and had to rely on my ADs word regarding how a chrono would behave after 30 min. You are saying Patek is not a pioneer. I have quite big difficulties to find another example of a... 

Adding supplemental scales to a chronograph--which is simply an exercise in printing, either on the dial or bezel--is very common. The industry abounds with tachymetre scales, pusometer scales and a few telemetrer scales. Generally to avoid clutter, most ... 

.....if i wanted to take your argument to its natural conclusion, I would argue that wristwatches of any guise are essentially superfluous given that most people own smartphones. Most complications on most watches are almost certainly superfluous to need.... 

and hence implying that every people with another opinion don't have any taste or just kneel before Patek. I must say I don't like your tone but as you keep on imposing your own opinion as the truth I would like to chime in. First, taking a chrono movemen... 

... found one on the internet and , sounds a bit smug now, I forgot about this model that I came only across a few times only in "my studies": Omega Museum Collection piece from 2003 with a reference to the 1945 original watch. And also at Omega limited m...  

plus the only one like this without any subdials for seconds etc. I have found was a Movado from 1945. Yes, manual - as it was 1945 :-)

Good observations as always and I can follow you very well. Thanks! Oliver

So let's see if I get this straight. Start with a vertical clutch chronograph movement (and we overlook the fact that this movement has a very harsh return to zero). Then we rip out the minute and hour counters so all that is left is a start/stop seconds ... 

Although I like this watch because it is a beautiful design, not everything you mention is wrong...

One aspect is quite correct in your comment: the second hand returns quite harsh to zero. To active the flyback pusher itself requires quite some force as it is not that smooth. In modern world you can argue that a mechanical watch has become nearly obsol... 

Little content, big price, limited series, just for the look? For the rest we have our smart phones? I do not follow you.

But the good thing is that for the price of this chrono, we can have a nice colllection of fine vintage Chronos... Longines 13 ZN, Omega / Lemania / Tissot / Leroy 33.3 / Minerva 17-29 or 19 - 29 CH, Universal Genève Medico Compax or other, which are fine... 

I understand what is your point of view of course. But you judge this different combination by your historical data. From your experience, you've come to feel that some dial layouts are to be found with some type of movements. Every combo out of this grid... 

A dial is a signature. A signature is a kind of DNA. These dials are so 30ies looking that associating them to an automatic movement is just a total heresy. The kind of heresy you can see on the new Longines Chronos which are said to be a Tribute to the P... 

and we agree on the fact we have a different feeling because we see it from a different perspective. Still my favorite chronos remain the 5070 and maybe a bit of the 5170G Much left to love. Best, Nicolas. Mark

That´s what came to my mind when I saw the RM 056 and it´s price tag.

some personal thoughts. Good observations as always! My favorite chronograph wasn´t shown yet :-) Cheers, Oliver

I see this 5975 is not yet the end of the path for you and we'll be delighted to know more about your experience in the weeks to come I guess. Cheers, Mark