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minute repeater and tourbillion - the debate

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there have been a number of repetition a minutes made by pp. many were made upon request. i speak of the tonneau shaped platinum case minuter repeater for henry graves jnr,  refs 2421, 2524, ref 3979, 3974,3939,5013, 5016, 5074  and toubillion ref 3834, 3939, 5101, 5016

i have noted that that a number of comments on here that suggest that these master complications are useless in a watch and can not justify paying so much for a reference with them. 

it is admitted that the movement of the wrist takes the place of a tourbillion and is therefore redundant in a watch and it can be successfully argued that non one cares to listen to the chimes and gongs of a wrist watch, as this was for when electricity was uninvented and darknes reigned.

my arguement is that it is not the use of the complications that counts but the audacity a feat as to defy horology logic by placing so much in so little space. surely that is what kindles a flame inside the mind of a horology collector, afterall if we are to discuss the logic of acquisition then why would anybody in their right mind spend tens of thousand of dollars/euro on any watch, let alone hundreds of thousands, when you can get a cheap quartz watch that will tell you the time or even better still, utilise our cellphones clock.

most of us presumably use our watches to solely inform us of the time and at the same moment admire the beauty of the watch we have on. how many of us actually use the complications regularly is another question. i for one rarely use the chronography but doodle over the other complications that i have on my other watches. most collectors will not even use the watches (straight into the safe in plastic nib), others use their watches but do not correct the complications (if perpetual, annual calendar).

so when you consider a watch to buy, is it important that the complication is useful for you or is it the horology feat that gives you the kicks?

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Bruno.M1 September 8th, 2008-11:32
about those super complications I like those watches but I would never buy them, even if I could ( winning a lottery would probably help ) Tourbillons and minute repeaters are little wonders but I just don't like them as much as for example a chronograph. I really would prefer a chronog... 
dixie September 12th, 2008-13:11
personal preference 
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amanico September 8th, 2008-13:44
Kicks over utility, for me I make a big difference with mechanical watches and Quartz watches... Witth a Quartz Watch, I ask it to be useful, to give me the hour, and if possible, like in a Tissot T Touch to be funny, too, but the most important is the utility for a quartz Watch. A... 
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Topcat30093 September 9th, 2008-02:19
Tourbillon/Minute Repeater Like a number of members have already stated. I prefer my watch to be practical,such as a Chronograph or a Perpetual Calendar. Though the Tourbillons and the Minute Repeaters are certainly two of the most complicated movements that you can have. I probabl... 
zjpj September 9th, 2008-18:34
Perpetuals... 
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fernando September 9th, 2008-03:11
It's totally illogical,irrational and makes no sense..... for a right minded individual to fork out these astronomical figures for such complicated watches.However, there are things we cannot buy,such as time and we cannot put a value on love, passion and our dreams.If one can extract a certain amount of happine... 
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mori-tower September 9th, 2008-04:12
interesting that you say that fernando am i therefore to assume that there are people out there remortgaging their houses and putting their families in harms way all for the sake of a master complication from a high end horology maker? i would hope not although i have heard of people that are ... 
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fernando September 9th, 2008-06:33
These and other hobbies can be dangerous 
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amanico September 9th, 2008-04:49
Well what was the question? LOL Madness against Reason? ROFL... You're totally right, Fernando, there are some VITAL priorities, and Horology is not one, of course. BUT, this is so good to have these futiles pleasures without which life wouldn't be Life... Best, my friend. Nicolas
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fernando September 9th, 2008-06:38
I am all for it Nicolas 
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