Mark in Paris
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Well, I think it would be nice indeed but I see several issues
Do we get WT watches for the usefulness first (over size or beauty criteria), for beauty/elegance/refinement first etc... (over improved usefulness) or for technical achievement/complication level first (no matter the size but because we want the most technical movement) ?
This is I think choices the brand has to make.
For instance, VC you mention has a 42.5x11.62mm case and GO an even more significant 44x14mm (that's quite significant). The 5230 is 38.5x10mm as a reminder.
This is a huge difference (the new 5930 reference is 39.5x12.86mm for instance but with the additional chronograph complication).
So, you can put 37 cities but you have to increase the case's dimensions. You can put more complicated but need wider and thicker case.
Does Patek wants to do that? I never asked but from their offering I think they do 24 because they decided to keep watches smaller as this is what a lot of Patek client are looking for; the fact that cases remain smaller or thinner than usual. It's a choice.
It also allows to make more elegant ones and more refined. And maybe more discreet or other proportions on the wrist.
Not saying one is better than the other, just that it is not compatible doing both.
The choice of cities is certainly something easier to manage. I'm sure that if you contact them, they may think about it for the future, pondering it with other clients' wishes of course. A question to consider seriously indeed.
Thanks for sharing your opinion!
Cheers, Mark
[Baselworld 2016] More details and my first thoughts on the Patek Philippe World Time 5230
Hi everyone, Two of the main novelties from this 2016 Basel fair have particularly attracted most of the attention as they are the new World Time references: the Patek Philippe 5230 as a World Time only and the Patek Philippe 5930G as a new model, inspire...
Nw it looks already better and I love the lugs.
I'll handle the watch on Monday but if it really feels good, I will get it when it will appear in platinum. Best, Kari
Similar feelings here
I might do the same as Kari, regarding the platinum version, or alternatively fetch a new 5130P, as long as it will still be possible. That is assuming my secret project will not materialise with another WT. I find the 5130/5110 case shape more beautiful ...
Aesthetical references are a difficult world to explore
I think Alex that most of our tastes have been shaped through what we are used to seing, starting when we were young and moving on. The thing is that the older we've been staying in the field of watches for instance (but it is true in every other sectors)...
Dearest Mark...
...thank you for what is probably the most beautifully written exchange of ideas I have had so far in the forum. Which also increases my love for this place I fully agree with all your points. They are exquisitely thought through and communicated. There i...
I appreciated your wonderful comments a lot Alex.
It is a real pleasure discussing with passion with people sharing the same love for watchmaking in general. The very respectful way you and purists in general do it is very valuable and rewarding to me. That's why I ended on this site several years ago. I...
A broadly smiling forumer salutes you, dearest Mark!
Very much looking to many more discussions and discoveries together!! Have a great Saturday night! Alex
If you go that way, I warmly recommend 5110P.
I just arrived Switzerland and will soon understand the new collection better. Best, Kari
It is a WT candidate that I am considering often
At the moment, I am exploring the creation of a special WT. if that cannot materialise, then it will be eventually 5110P or 5130P. Hope you arrived safely to Switzerland Kari and enjoy the fair. Most likely I will go today as well, or latest tomorrow. All...
Thanks. I'm happily sitting in a nice hotel room downtown Zurich,
answering posts in Watchprosite and my wife is picking up a morning coffee. Later a good Swiss breakfast and then it's time to think about the program. Life is good! Best, Kari
I also look forward to seing it in the metal
but very promising from my perspective. I'm sure you'll have a great time there and looking forward to your feedback if you see something good. Cheers, Mark
I like it but
do think the revised cities are not as clearly differentiated as on previous 5110 and 5130 iterations, some names could be shortened as was previously done or possibly a very slightly smaller font? This issue looks to be further highlighted on the revised...
Well, I think I have to handle it to judge that precisely
but my first opinion would be that it works better for me that new way: - I like the "with serif" font very much and more tahn the 5130 (even if I liked the 5130's too). - The fact that 2 or 3 names are longer is something I find nice when looking at the ...
You are correct
about the size of the pusher, my post was out of sequence and I was actually passing comment on the new 5230 having a larger button to advance the time zone - 5131R is unchanged.
Overall I like it a lot.
In particular the guilloche dial is beautifully done and I love the lugs. I am not yet convinced by the case - it does seem very angular from the photos, maybe it will feel less so in the metal.
I think the case box whithout lugs
is very similar to the 5396/5496 one. I found it a little "cold" in these latter references. On the contrary, with the new lugs and the beautiful dial I think it is the good modern that way (and not the cold one). But this is very personal and this is som...
the land, the sea and time in a truley 50ies shape: Patek's 5230 has lots to dream about
To me this WT is possibly the best version: where the predecessor was a it big feeling on the wrist and the 5110 maybe too small for the liking of many, but not mine, this 5230 is perfect. The guilloche is also, judging by pictures only, maybe the best as...
It is indeed very 1950's (due to the hands especially imho)
and I like your way to see the guilloche work. I didn't think of the guilloche as the sea but waves pattern it is indeed Now you bring me poetry concerning this model. I love the 5110 (especially the R version) but it is a trully different offer: in terms...
Nice!
Mark, thank you for this. Of course you know what I'm going to say about the city ring given the slightly crazy idea I put forward in another thread today, regarding custom-printed city rings (Hey, Mr Stern - you heard it all here first. Happy to sell you...
It's my pleasure!
It is not a crazy idea, it would be great in fact but I just wondered in previous answers I made if it was possible. You should write a letter to Patek, suggestions are always good to hear, who knows, they may follow you! Funny that lugs are quite not the...
I think it is about time that a brand with huge global appeal such as PP recognise that
we live is a world where there are 37 / 38 time zones. VC has a WT with 37 time zones. GO has a WT (albeit technical looking) with 37 tie zones. Sven Anderson has a WT which has India (which falls in a half-time zone) on it. I like the new PP WT. Nothing ...
Well, I think it would be nice indeed but I see several issues
Do we get WT watches for the usefulness first (over size or beauty criteria), for beauty/elegance/refinement first etc... (over improved usefulness) or for technical achievement/complication level first (no matter the size but because we want the most tec...
Thanks Mark for this informative post. The more I read about 5230, the more I want to ...
...see it in the metal ! Naturally I will really want to examine the "basket weave" guilloche under a loupe ! Cheers, Gordon p.s. Eagerly awaiting your post on 5930 !
So do I
I'm eager to know if my first impressions are confirmed in the metal. Even for each novelties I would say but especially this one and the 5930 as they are brand new. Sometimes it is also a question of smoothness of lines and finishing (the way edges are s...
Ok, I tried to digest it, before digging in my own feelings deeper...
I welcome with a blend of impatience excitation and anxiety every new version of the World Time from Patek. The fact that I own the 5110P didn't make me reject the 5130. I bought it, too, ( G ) then sold it because, for me, the 5110P kills it, in terms of...
I share your feelings about the proportions of the city ring and the dial.
And that is one of the attractions of the 5930 for me (apart from the addition of the chrono). The dial looks to be a better size.
As a 5110 and 5130 owner (or past owner), it is interesting to see you're open to this one
as it is very different in terms of style. It is difficult to make things evolve without losing the previous models' admirers. I think I follow you on nearly every points (aside from the look as it is very subjective thus personal and to eachone his own f...
Let's have a deal: When you have the possibility to see it in the flesh...
Call me, we'll see it together, with my 5110P. And we'll have a good photo session. Then, we'll see. Best, Nicolas
PS: With a slimmer city ring and a bigger main dial, I would have probably waited...
For the release of the Platinum and would have gone for it. Best, Nicolas
You'll have a part of the answer when you try it this year...
...and plenty of time to think about it before the P comes out :p Cheers, Mark
A little late
but I managed to try on the 5230 and 5930 last night at a function at an AD and while some present preferred the 5930, I personally felt that the 5230 was a lot more wearable not just because of its diameter but because the height of the 5930 at 12.8mm is...
Hi Sham, I also found...
the 5930 quite thick. The 5230's guilloche is very detailed and IMO takes more efforts to make given its "basket" pattern. Cheers, Gordon
Hi Gordon, Will you be...
Hi Gordon, Will you be making an addition to your world time collection because I am very tempted to with a 5230G! :-) Sham
So do I.
I had the 5110R in mind that I love. Now, I can't decide now which one I would prefer: 5230 or 5110? Time will tell
Hi Mark!
We have similar taste. I know the 5110P gets a lot of press but I have always preferred the 5110R which I think is the most elegant and has the warmest colour of the 5110 range. If I had to choose between the two, I would opt for the 5230G because firstly...
Interesting feedback, I like the 5230 very much too
The 5930 is a very different offer. More complicated and as, a consequence, thicker. Of course the design is less traditional classic and more 40's / 50's classic. I like the proportions for the 5930 that way but it is indeed much more different than the ...