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Yes, I believe Patek does need to bring a substantial,
steel-cased watch to the market. The introduction of the Aquanaut was targeted at that the younger market but seemingly lacked the robust features that the younger market wanted.
The difficulty I see from Patek's perspective is the cost to develop such a piece which would more than likely demand a new movement which would withstand the rigors of youthful wear, something they have not seemed to be interested in pursuing, but rather incorporating existing movements in new case designs. They have many case designs to draw from, as they have successfully brought forth since the 150th Anniversary watches, so I don't believe that issue is as difficult as the development of a new movement which would be unlike anything currently produced.
But, if you are suggesting a new case design in steel using existing movements, then the issue that arises is the allocation of movements to the steel watch vs. a gold watch and the effects of profitability for the company.
Without a new movement and simply casing an existing movement in a steel case, the question to answer is if a gold watch is available at $22,000 or you could buy the same basic piece in steel (with a different case design as you proposed) at $18,500-19,000...what would you do? At these price points, I think the gold versions would outsell the steel models. If you look at Rolex and compare the submariners, the gold version is somewhere in the $30,000 range while the steel version is around $7500. I feel certain the steel outsells the gold by wide margins. Those are bracelet versions, looking at strap models llike the datejust, gold on a strap is $17,700 and steel on a bracelet is around $6500. Again, the steel version outsells the gold version by a long shot. The price points are crucial, and Patek's position is even worse because the difference from steel to gold is not that great because of the movement and their "limited" capacity to produce those movements maintaining the perceived Patek level of quality.
Who knows, maybe Patek will develop a new movement which young folks can "really wear" and will withstand harder wear than the current lineup and show the world that they can bring the Patek level of quality to a durable, more-casual watch as you have described.
Do we need a Patek Philippe Calatrava for the young blood?
May I begin this thread by letting all know not to worry? I’m still wishing to order a Patek Philippe 5711/1A for myself and not looking for another option. By the way I can no longer qualify myself as “young blood” so the subject is not for my own use! O...
Interesting....
I hope that this thread does not develop like mine did a couple of days ago..... I did a search and nothing too similar came up.... On a more serious note though.... I agree and disagree at the same time.... PP has an entry young level watch in my opinion...
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Hi, "I hope that this thread does not develop like mine did a couple of days ago....." Well, it did not, I wonder why? "I did a search and nothing too similar came up...." That may be why! "PP has an entry young level watch in my opinion... The Aquanaut.....
Well.....
Hi, "I wonder why?" Because Amaanico was rude, he did not "keep the tone of the posts courteous and respectful" Sorry that was easy. "that may be why" Per rules your forum "there are no dump questions". "sorry but it is a......I doubt" I disagree with you...
"Monet" is the problem for the young ones ...
I would say to all the questions that you are asking : no . No, because it is not necessary as the fascination for a great watch and jewellery can start at a very young age. I know, and many also will do, a lot of friends who admired a 3119 when they just...
Really?
"I would say to all the questions that you are asking : no ." You don't let me much chance! "No, because it is not necessary as the fascination for a great watch and jewellery can start at a very young age." I admit, but there's a difference between fasci...
I sound very repetitive, I know but the Ellipse does the trick!
Have a look, again: ( with a lizard strap, on that day ) Cool, isn't it ? Honestly, I have never encountered anybody saying: " Booaah, what a hideous watch! " All of them are simply stunned by such a simple, bold beauty. It is not a Calatrava, but a simpl...
Nice watch but....
Hi, Nice watch but..... the seventies are seen as young and cool by those who where young and cool in the seventies, no? Cheers Dje
Could not said it better
You just said it .The Ellipse is definitely one of Patek Philippe`s greatest models. Simple and Elegant.
WOW
The Ellipse as a young man's watch??? Sorry but I couldn't disagree more. The 5167 yes as it was made for young people to start with, and the Nautilus IMO fits the bill, but the Ellipse really totally fails to convince me being a watch for young people. C...
my personal oservation and belief about age is: we all do not grow older than mid twenty
And the reason is simple: our brain would go mad if all infos would be stored. Taste is what matters with watches, not age, imho. Best Moritz
Well said and completely agree.
Often people confuse fashion with age and taste. Just because something is in fashion, does not mean it is tasteful. We see this both in older and contemporary watches. Cheers. Jim
Congratulations on your 5960R!
The 5960R is a great watch for both the young and the old. But to be young at heart is the most important.
Larger Calatrava?
Dje, While I don't presume to know what Patek "needs" and am fuzzy on any true relationship that may exist between age and taste, I certainly agree with you that the Calatrava line lacks models that have the appeal of the 5960. The 6000 may come closest a...
Larger Calatrava?
First - thank you Dje for the post - it at least call on us to put some thought into the question. As what I would presume as a younger member of this forum at 36 years young - I have often though about the subject you bring up. I am an avid collector and...
Interesting aspects Chris
Hi, Interesting aspects Chris, but at 36 (I'm 37) you're already long out of my target group. "So yes I agree - and wish that there was a more options for a younger collector especially larger models- but also understand some other's points that a discern...
Intersting
Hi, "While I don't presume to know what Patek "needs" and am fuzzy on any true relationship that may exist between age and taste, I certainly agree with you that the Calatrava line lacks models that have the appeal of the 5960. The 6000 may come closest a...
What's wrong with the 6000G?
The 6000G is a Calatrava (Calatrava to me basically denotes a round faced/cased Patek Philippe, including the complicated round watches when using the word loosely). The 6000G is a sporty watch that has a sporty color scheme, a unique look on the dial, an...
Nothing.
Hi, "The 6000G is a sporty watch that has a sporty color scheme..." I love it but don't see it as sporty. Less formal than the majority of Calatrava models, but not sporty yet. Anyway I'm not looking for a sports Calatrava. "For those young'uns looking fo...
What do you propose?
Hmm, Dje, you've got me thinking here. What do you think you would propose to Patek Philippe if they wanted to make a watch for younger people? First of all, let's explore the facts. What brands do young people buy today? How do we define young people (un...
Very valid points.....
It seems to me, Dje, that you have something very particular in mind... at least judging from your responses thus far.... How would you design it? Cheers
Nothing, I just ask!
Hi, Thank you for pushing the discussion a bit further. I don't have a clear definition for young, and young at heart is certainly essential, but I see young people more aqt 20 than 30. "Panerai is definitely a watch that is appropriate for young people. ...
hmm... ok...
"Well young peole can have bad taste too!" People have bad tastes if they don't wear a PP on their wrist? You do know not everyone has10k for a watch even if they have good taste, right? and there are more factors in life than taste when a person drives a...
young people can like the Calatrava
I'm 31, and I bought my first nice watch two months ago. I was looking for a dressy watch that would impress under any circumstances, yet be discrete enough for day to day wear. I ultimately picked a VC, but the PP Calatrava lineup was the other main choi...
Sure but
Hi, "I'm 31,..." Yes, so you're no longer 20! "I ultimately picked a VC, but the PP Calatrava lineup was the other main choice at the end." Yes but you took the VC, not the PP. Why? "I find the hobnail pattern bezel common to many Calatravas to be too for...
Re: Sure but
First of all, let me say that this is a fascinating thread! > Yes but you took the VC, not the PP. Why? A lot of factors coming together. I started out knowing nothing about fine watches other than that Rolex and Omega are popular, and that my uncle (a wa...
Interesting
Hi, Thank you for sharing your experience. Regarding your last point, VC's produciton is far lower than PP's production, so the second hand market is very different for the two brands. That may explain things. Cheers Dje
Very interesting topic, Jerome.
There are watches for young people, in the PP family. Come to mind models like the Aquanaut, the Nautilus ( the Chrono being, in my opinion the one which looks the younger model ), the 5070 ( especially the P ), and even the 5140 P. About Calatravas, whic...
It depends, it depends ! A YG Ellipse is the coolest one in the PP collection, ...
... a watch that a secret agent of another kind would choose: Austin Danger Powers ! Regards Moritz...
Nicolas!
Hi my friend, "There are watches for young people, in the PP family. Come to mind models like the Aquanaut, the Nautilus ( the Chrono being, in my opinion the one which looks the younger model ), the 5070 ( especially the P ), and even the 5140 P." I don'...
No...
It's my first time to post in the PP forum although I've been lurking for quite sometime. It's a watch that I would get for when I hit 50. I think it is something that goes beyond age. I would almost say that one has to understand, appreciate, and deserve...
Thank you
Hi, "It's my first time to post in the PP forum although I've been lurking for quite sometime. It's a watch that I would get for when I hit 50." That my point, defining a watch that would have brought you to Patek Philippe 20 or 30 years earlier! "I think...
Hahaha!!! Hi Dje. Old is relative, yes?
Sometimes it doesn't quite correlate with age, fortunately, and moreso still, unfortunately, with the wallet!!! I did not like the Nautilus for quite sometime. I did not "understand" its design, it's proportions. But I saw an ad for it a couple of weeks a...
why????
do we need a PP Calatrava for young people? the aqaunauts and several quartz models enough for them(thus betryaying my ancient age). generalizing here, younger people tend to have smaller budgets...for most. go buy another make with a more affordable pric...
Its a difficult question...
I am not sure that i agree with the idea that a Patek is only something that can be appreciated later in life...and after "REALLY" earning one. To my mind, we each remain teh arbiter of what we do or do not deserve. Is it right to stick a 5970P on the wri...
Yes
Hi Baron, "I am not sure that i agree with the idea that a Patek is only something that can be appreciated later in life...and after "REALLY" earning one. To my mind, we each remain teh arbiter of what we do or do not deserve." I do agree. "Is it right to...
Yes, I believe Patek does need to bring a substantial,
steel-cased watch to the market. The introduction of the Aquanaut was targeted at that the younger market but seemingly lacked the robust features that the younger market wanted. The difficulty I see from Patek's perspective is the cost to develop such a ...
I do think so....
Hi, "...a steel-cased watch to the market." Young people don't need gold yet, lucky they are. "The introduction of the Aquanaut was targeted at that the younger market but seemingly lacked the robust features that the younger market wanted." I don't know....
from business point of view...
PP is targeting the market of well-off people with high disposable income. Most of the people meeting this criteria are above 40 of age. No doubt that there are more filthy rich young men now, thank you to internet. However, the market is still too small....
My advice is to start with a 240 caliber.
A micro-rotor caliber is always special and when it is reliable and beautiful like the 240, I think it is the best way to enter Patek's world. Fr.Xavier
Does PP NEED a younger-clientele?
A question of youth-oriented would lead one to get something like AP or JLC. At least with JLC, you'll get a great movement with a robust case in a large case, and it can be had new for under 15k. With PP, the Jumbo Nautilus was a stab at that market, but...
Let's say yes
Hi, Let's say yes.We won't decide anyway, it's just for thinking. "A question of youth-oriented would lead one to get something like AP or JLC. At least with JLC, you'll get a great movement with a robust case in a large case, and it can be had new for un...
Young vs old. Formal vs casual.
I love both the Calatrava and the Nautilus and think they fulfill different roles: the Nautilus is more casual and the Calatrava more formal. To make the Calatrava more casual and informal seems to go against the grain of what it stands for. I also think ...
Patek already made the perfect young person watch
but it has been discontinued. It was a 5085. It was very casual, complicated and for most of its life it was less than 20k. Its a steel in the secondary market in my opinion. I was dumb enough to sell mine for less than 12k
"young blood" chiming in
Hey there, I am 19 years old, so I thought I would chime in. I actually rather like the Calatrava, especially the 5196. I think the 5196 conveys a sense of modernism while still being quite classical in composure. However, I first became enamored with Pat...
yes
i consider myself "pretty young" too i just recently acquired the 5196 and -while i'm daily soaked in divine exctasy by that watch- i also pretty much feel that the golden ellipse 3738 will be my next indulgence.
Sure, would work.
Many interesting responses. Many reasons as to why one thing could be and/or why another could not ( for example young adults' monetary situations, taste levels, style). From my experiences combined with personal opinion the Nautilus is the go to pickup o...
A too simple answer?
An entry level piece for the young? Aside from what's been said, perhaps a 5296G, 2-tone silvery-gray dial? Simple. Sporty. Youthful. Affordable. Aloha, Bob
For guys in their 20's
I think PP has already answered their needs, 5167 and 5711 for not too expensive pieces which can be worn with suit or shorts, George Soros wears a SS 5167. Now Calatravas are dress watches, some very old school and classical, others a little more modern ...